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it was basically a cube with inside of

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sphere where the points of the cube

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hi this is mark o'connell and you're

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast my name is andy and really

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looking forward to kicking off it was

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someone i've heard talk a couple of

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times in various different interviews

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over the last year or so

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it's laurie rayfeld who was stationed at

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raf bent waters and woodbridge bases

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that may sound familiar as they're

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synonymous with the rendoshim forest

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incident uh laurie welcome to the

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podcast

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thank you i'm so happy to be here yeah

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it's good to have you on um and listen

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before we get to talking about

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your time you spent at raf bentwaters

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and woodbridge um i want to find out a

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little bit about your background and

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what got you to to the military in the

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first place um so what was your kind of

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background growing up

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um well i grew up on long island new

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york and

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in uh i grew up near the beaches

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and it was really i had a great

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but mom and dad got divorced in 74 or so

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so money got tight

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1977

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i was supposed to go to the school of

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visual arts in new york city i was going

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to major in film studies

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and i got there i got to new york city

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and it turned out that

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the

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school did not have dormitories

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so logistically it was not it was

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looking almost impossible to go there

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new york city for me at the time was

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pretty intimidating so i wasn't

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so it was it was just a hard decision

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so my mom decided since we were in new

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york city why not go to the statue of

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liberty

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it's like well let's make a day of it

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and i i mean in my mind i was thinking

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what am i going to do with my life what

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am i going to do

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and i'm on the

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i'm on the ferry

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i started thinking back at this young

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woman in my english class in high school

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who had all these brochures of military

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and i remember her coming through the

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brochures of the air force and

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i thought well that looks pretty good

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maybe i should check it out

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so uh so i that's what i did the

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following day i actually called up the

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recruiting office and wanted to say you

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know check it out we'll see what it's

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so that was the beginning of my air

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now i find that interesting you've said

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you found new york city intimidating but

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for a young woman in the the late 70s

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applying to to join the military was

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that not quite intimidating as well

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because times have changed in 2021 but

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that was it was very much male dominated

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was five percent of the or less of the

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women and who were active duty were

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um yeah a small amount and

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yeah going into the military the reason

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it made more sense to me is that they

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were going to pay me they were going to

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give me a place to sleep give me shelter

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you know just take care of me

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you know i didn't have to pay for i

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didn't have to pay for anything out of

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so that kind of makes sense and i went

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elementary school when back in the day

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we actually had nuns for

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teachers and some of them were pretty

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tough and i figured if i could handle

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the nuns at st patrick's school i can

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pretty much handle anything

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yeah i really didn't think that far

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we didn't have any military bases on

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long island that i was aware of at the

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time and so it was

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what were those early days like on the

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on the basis so we're talking here late

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70s that you actually arrive at bent

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i arrived at bentwaters well i started

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basic training on january 23

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i was over at raf bentwaters i mean my

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basic training and my technical school

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about five six weeks each

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yeah it was it was a real shock

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getting there it was nothing like

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basic training or technical school with

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non-existent i mean

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they had a gym gymnasium and a movie

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what most of them ended up doing was

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spending the money at the class six

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store which would see where you buy the

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yeah it was it was just really

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interesting that way

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getting to bentwaters i was so excited

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when i first learned that i was going to

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england and it was a royal air force so

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i was expecting to see almost everything

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with gold and you know gilded and i i

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had i had no idea and

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so when i got there

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and i saw the green quantum huts

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with the pot belly stoves in it

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it i was just really blown away about

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i felt as if i went back to world war

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i mean everything just seemed like i

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went back in time

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and it wasn't a good feeling

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and then at that point too when the bus

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uh the main gate it was the first time i

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got to see a gate guard and that would

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be one of my jobs because i was going

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into i was in law enforcement

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[\h__\h] cry

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oh no

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and on top of it i started to feel

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physically start to feel this heaviness

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over me like a heavy weight over me and

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it was almost a depressed kind of a

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feeling but it was it was more physical

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uh psychological

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and i i was just thinking

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you know there's some something wrong

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with this place i mean that was a

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fleeting

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something something's not right about

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this place not only is it

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it was just that something was just

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completely off about the place

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now we're now talking the the late 70s

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and of course the famous rendursum

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were you around the base at that time

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i was not there for a rental shim

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uh incident technically my order said

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december 26 and i'm so mad i wanted to

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go home

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that i said fine i'm i'm flying out

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commercial i just wanted to get out of

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there i i really

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i felt this if i was in a war zone there

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and i just wanted to get out of there i

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i didn't have a lot of people had really

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good experiences there i i had my share

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good experiences but for the most part

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when it came to the base

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um i just had to get i had to get out of

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well what was your first experience then

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on the base in terms of any high

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strangeness events because we're not

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just talking you know ufo sightings

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there's there's been many things

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happened over your time there hasn't

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first of all that the experience of the

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heaviness over me i you know it felt as

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if somebody

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decided to put on a

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like 40 50 pounds on me that i had to

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carry with me

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and it was really

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messing up my stamina i was having i

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started to slowly start having

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problems with um

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just getting the energy to to do my job

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and that was kind of frightening because

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i was only 18 when i got there i was

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it took uh once i got there

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people were telling us that we were in

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the most haunted county in in the world

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and there were all these stories of

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druids and

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easton charlie

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a world war

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ii pilot who

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lost his head and

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walks the runway and scares people and

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it was just a lot of

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you know scary stories going on and you

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know i tried to take it

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i didn't want to get scared so i would

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take it

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for you know for what it was worth

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and so pretty much i just kind of did

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what i did with everything just pushed

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it out of my mind

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and then the um a lot of the guys that i

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was working with being one of one of you

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women i mean there were about

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i'd say 20 active duty 20 30 active duty

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women on the whole base

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that were single the single ones the

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ones that were married that they lived

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off base

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so

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the percentage i think it was like five

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five or ten women

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tops that were working in security

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police the 84 security police so

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i when i was on flight i was usually the

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only woman

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on flight with the men

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and

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it was just kind of

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hearing a lot of sexist kind of

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talk people telling me i should be

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barefoot and pregnant

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and you know it was not really

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conducive to to say well let's uh

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let's put lori under our wing and teach

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her how to be a really good security

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police person

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um can i just ask lori did you and again

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people have to remember this was this

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was 1980 that did you expect that

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treatment at the time was it was it what

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you expected was it worse or was it was

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it better for lack of a better one

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well when i when i first got there i'm

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talking 1978

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it was

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women for me uh i

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i seem to i felt like i was under the

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magnifying glass

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and on top of it the squadron commander

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major zipler at the time

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he

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did not like

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women in in the career field so it's

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really

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tough when you have the

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squadron commander

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either looking at you like you're

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you know a piece of garbage or whatever

340
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and it was just the whole thing was

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completely disheartening i did have a

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few

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did look up to

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my first slight chief was david richard

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and i looked up to him and then but he

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left immediately and i was stuck with

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some really

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um

349
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not so good supervisors and

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then

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dan dan taylor he was a really good

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flight chief so i did have my handful of

353
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you know good sergeants to look up to

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and

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so

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were two things as you can tell two

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themes going on one theme was trying to

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integrate

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in a squadron that really didn't want me

360
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because i was a woman

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the second was

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soon to be a lot of the paranormal in

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the uh the ufo sighting

364
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because one really

365
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really piggybacked on the other because

366
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if i see a ufo or if i see something and

367
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i report it

368
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it's it's again it's a put down to say

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ah right about seeing your fellows

370
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and and i was pretty

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um at that time i would say

372
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what made me different than a lot of

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a lot of the guys

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was the fact that i was very very

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sensitive

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not that i would cry or anything like

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that my sensitivity was i could pick

378
00:15:40,470 --> 00:15:38,079
things up i could read people

379
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pretty well i can see if somebody hated

380
00:15:44,870 --> 00:15:42,240
my gut so

381
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the body language is pretty obvious

382
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and uh you know so but i also took

383
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responsibility for how they reacted to

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me

385
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and that was not really the best for

386
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instance

387
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uh

388
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my

389
00:16:02,310 --> 00:15:58,720
sergeant

390
00:16:05,269 --> 00:16:02,320
had a it was in the winter time and

391
00:16:07,509 --> 00:16:05,279
i had lent my gloves to

392
00:16:09,990 --> 00:16:07,519
one of the airmen on the flight and he

393
00:16:12,389 --> 00:16:10,000
forgot to give me the gloves back so

394
00:16:14,310 --> 00:16:12,399
my hands are turning red from the cold

395
00:16:17,189 --> 00:16:14,320
as i'm standing on the main gate and my

396
00:16:18,150 --> 00:16:17,199
supervisor drives up in a hot you know

397
00:16:20,790 --> 00:16:18,160
warm

398
00:16:22,389 --> 00:16:20,800
pickup foot patrol vehicle

399
00:16:25,030 --> 00:16:22,399
and he looks at me and says where are

400
00:16:26,150 --> 00:16:25,040
your gloves and he's got his gloves on

401
00:16:27,189 --> 00:16:26,160
and

402
00:16:28,710 --> 00:16:27,199
he uh

403
00:16:31,269 --> 00:16:28,720
he just asked me where are your gloves i

404
00:16:33,030 --> 00:16:31,279
said oh i lent them to rick and you know

405
00:16:34,470 --> 00:16:33,040
i didn't get him back and i was thinking

406
00:16:35,749 --> 00:16:34,480
that he was going to take his gloves off

407
00:16:37,189 --> 00:16:35,759
and said well here

408
00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:37,199
you can use these

409
00:16:41,189 --> 00:16:38,800
uh but he just kind of looked at me and

410
00:16:42,949 --> 00:16:41,199
nodded no like oh you know you're

411
00:16:45,030 --> 00:16:42,959
screwed your hands are going to be cold

412
00:16:46,790 --> 00:16:45,040
for the rest of the night

413
00:16:49,269 --> 00:16:46,800
and so he took off

414
00:16:51,509 --> 00:16:49,279
about an hour later the wing commander

415
00:16:53,590 --> 00:16:51,519
the highest ranking

416
00:16:54,550 --> 00:16:53,600
person on base he was a little fulbert

417
00:16:56,150 --> 00:16:54,560
colonel

418
00:16:57,910 --> 00:16:56,160
he came on the base

419
00:16:59,749 --> 00:16:57,920
and he looked at my hands and he said

420
00:17:01,030 --> 00:16:59,759
the same thing wear your gloves and i

421
00:17:03,749 --> 00:17:01,040
told him

422
00:17:05,990 --> 00:17:03,759
and he said here take my gloves oh sorry

423
00:17:07,909 --> 00:17:06,000
i can't do that you know

424
00:17:10,150 --> 00:17:07,919
and he said no um

425
00:17:11,990 --> 00:17:10,160
he said it kind of with a smile on his

426
00:17:15,510 --> 00:17:12,000
face he said this is an order and i said

427
00:17:19,189 --> 00:17:15,520
okay sir so it was pilot gloves so i was

428
00:17:21,110 --> 00:17:19,199
like when i got my first break

429
00:17:22,870 --> 00:17:21,120
i went up to the law enforcement desk to

430
00:17:24,870 --> 00:17:22,880
show everybody i was wearing pilot

431
00:17:27,350 --> 00:17:24,880
gloves and look at me you know

432
00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:27,360
and everyone kind of thought that was

433
00:17:33,750 --> 00:17:30,480
really you know oh wow it's pretty cool

434
00:17:35,669 --> 00:17:33,760
but then the next morning

435
00:17:38,630 --> 00:17:35,679
all of a sudden there's a banging on my

436
00:17:40,630 --> 00:17:38,640
door of my dormitory bam man

437
00:17:41,909 --> 00:17:40,640
i'm like what's going on

438
00:17:43,909 --> 00:17:41,919
you know i'm talking through the door

439
00:17:45,430 --> 00:17:43,919
and they said rayfeld you got to go down

440
00:17:47,029 --> 00:17:45,440
and see the commander

441
00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:47,039
meaning major ziploc

442
00:17:49,669 --> 00:17:48,160
for what

443
00:17:51,510 --> 00:17:49,679
he said something about you going up the

444
00:17:52,230 --> 00:17:51,520
chain of command and

445
00:17:54,150 --> 00:17:52,240
and

446
00:17:55,430 --> 00:17:54,160
making colonel

447
00:17:56,390 --> 00:17:55,440
whacker

448
00:17:58,470 --> 00:17:56,400
uh

449
00:18:01,029 --> 00:17:58,480
give give you the gloves

450
00:18:03,190 --> 00:18:01,039
what the heck you know that's not how it

451
00:18:04,549 --> 00:18:03,200
happened and they knew it

452
00:18:06,710 --> 00:18:04,559
so i

453
00:18:08,549 --> 00:18:06,720
i went up there and i explained what

454
00:18:11,110 --> 00:18:08,559
happened i mean this to me was such a

455
00:18:13,430 --> 00:18:11,120
minute situation but it's really

456
00:18:16,150 --> 00:18:13,440
important to understand that these

457
00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:16,160
little itty-bitty things that were all

458
00:18:19,669 --> 00:18:18,240
were blown out of proportion to the

459
00:18:22,230 --> 00:18:19,679
point where

460
00:18:23,990 --> 00:18:22,240
i i mean i you know i was getting in in

461
00:18:26,150 --> 00:18:24,000
pretty big trouble

462
00:18:28,950 --> 00:18:26,160
at the end of the evening i was so angry

463
00:18:31,350 --> 00:18:28,960
and so frustrated i asked another woman

464
00:18:32,789 --> 00:18:31,360
from the dormitory katie matthews go

465
00:18:35,430 --> 00:18:32,799
with me to the

466
00:18:37,830 --> 00:18:35,440
commit to the wing commander's house

467
00:18:40,470 --> 00:18:37,840
and give him back his gloves and you

468
00:18:42,630 --> 00:18:40,480
know so i did and i thanked him and i

469
00:18:45,029 --> 00:18:42,640
did tell him that i got into trouble

470
00:18:46,470 --> 00:18:45,039
because i was just so frustrated

471
00:18:48,150 --> 00:18:46,480
and i really wanted him to know that

472
00:18:50,390 --> 00:18:48,160
because i felt

473
00:18:53,110 --> 00:18:50,400
that he would know maybe next time don't

474
00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:53,120
don't give any of us your gloves because

475
00:18:57,110 --> 00:18:54,640
we're going to get in trouble

476
00:18:58,950 --> 00:18:57,120
for jumping the chain of command that

477
00:19:01,590 --> 00:18:58,960
was the key to it why did i go to the

478
00:19:03,430 --> 00:19:01,600
very very top of the chain of command

479
00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:03,440
it's like i thought

480
00:19:08,470 --> 00:19:05,280
yeah well that's the way to do it you

481
00:19:10,870 --> 00:19:08,480
know you need gloves why go to just

482
00:19:13,029 --> 00:19:10,880
anyone when i can go to the king you

483
00:19:15,190 --> 00:19:13,039
know i was like no no

484
00:19:17,430 --> 00:19:15,200
so anyway that those were the types of

485
00:19:19,190 --> 00:19:17,440
things that i had to deal with you know

486
00:19:21,190 --> 00:19:19,200
quite often

487
00:19:23,190 --> 00:19:21,200
so i can i can see how

488
00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:23,200
any and probably gives a wonderful piece

489
00:19:28,390 --> 00:19:25,760
of context that that something so small

490
00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:28,400
and trivial as being loaned someone's

491
00:19:32,630 --> 00:19:30,720
gloves never even asking for them turns

492
00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:32,640
into something much much bigger and of

493
00:19:36,789 --> 00:19:34,400
course as we can all imagine from

494
00:19:38,549 --> 00:19:36,799
watching the movies and tv shows that

495
00:19:40,549 --> 00:19:38,559
you then have consequences and

496
00:19:43,029 --> 00:19:40,559
repercussions as to what your duties may

497
00:19:45,430 --> 00:19:43,039
be and how your the treatment you get

498
00:19:46,950 --> 00:19:45,440
afterwards as well can all have a

499
00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:46,960
massive impact on the back of what

500
00:19:49,750 --> 00:19:48,480
happens so

501
00:19:51,430 --> 00:19:49,760
that's obviously as we're going to

502
00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:51,440
discuss some of these more paranormal

503
00:19:54,870 --> 00:19:53,600
and the ufo-based event

504
00:19:56,950 --> 00:19:54,880
and it's just to remember for the

505
00:19:58,870 --> 00:19:56,960
listeners off the back of you know what

506
00:20:00,789 --> 00:19:58,880
you do or do not say can have a huge

507
00:20:02,710 --> 00:20:00,799
impact on your life on the base going

508
00:20:04,150 --> 00:20:02,720
forward let alone you know what you

509
00:20:07,590 --> 00:20:04,160
encounter

510
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:07,600
was your initial um event that happened

511
00:20:11,909 --> 00:20:09,360
to do with the paranormal or was it the

512
00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:11,919
ufo event that came first

513
00:20:15,750 --> 00:20:14,400
uh the paranormal came first

514
00:20:17,590 --> 00:20:15,760
what were some of those initial events

515
00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:17,600
then laurie

516
00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:18,400
well

517
00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:21,760
one of them and it was about

518
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:24,400
it was almost about six months

519
00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:26,640
after i've been on the base so now it's

520
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:29,760
the winter it's 1979

521
00:20:35,909 --> 00:20:32,400
and i was

522
00:20:38,149 --> 00:20:35,919
on patrol i got pretty pretty good at it

523
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:38,159
so i was on i was either a gate guard or

524
00:20:42,390 --> 00:20:41,039
i was on patrol working swing shift and

525
00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:42,400
midnight shifts

526
00:20:46,789 --> 00:20:44,320
so this is during the swing shift

527
00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:46,799
meaning from four o'clock to 12 o'clock

528
00:20:51,830 --> 00:20:48,799
in the evening

529
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:51,840
and it was still daylight and i had to

530
00:20:56,310 --> 00:20:54,240
check this one

531
00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:56,320
we have a check sheet so on the check

532
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:58,480
sheet we have to go to these buildings

533
00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:59,919
and check to make sure that they're

534
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:01,360
locked up

535
00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:03,760
and one of the one of the places we had

536
00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:05,440
to go to was

537
00:21:09,909 --> 00:21:07,120
was the um

538
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:09,919
liquid oxygen the lox

539
00:21:13,270 --> 00:21:11,280
uh gate

540
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:13,280
the lux was where they

541
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:14,880
they had the liquid oxygen that they

542
00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:17,360
would use with the aircraft

543
00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:19,840
and so my job was just to go up to the

544
00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:22,640
fence and check the lock and go back

545
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:23,440
but

546
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:24,799
the

547
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:29,600
lodge gate

548
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:32,320
it was it was a side gate

549
00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:35,039
on our bedwaters

550
00:21:37,909 --> 00:21:36,080
the gate

551
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:37,919
and the

552
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:39,919
going to the locks

553
00:21:44,549 --> 00:21:42,559
on the left side was the fence that

554
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:44,559
would lead off base so if you jump the

555
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:47,039
fence you would be off base

556
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:48,080
and

557
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:52,159
gate you can just go through the gate if

558
00:21:57,909 --> 00:21:54,000
the gates open

559
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:57,919
so i uh i pulled up and and on the gate

560
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:00,880
on the fence was a lot of iv there was a

561
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:03,039
lot of overgrowth

562
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:05,120
and so i couldn't see

563
00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:07,039
through the fence

564
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:09,440
but in my mind

565
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:10,799
now this is some of the things that

566
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:13,280
you're going to hear about that

567
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:14,799
are more of the

568
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:17,520
sixth sense coming out it's not through

569
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:21,600
my eyes or ears or or whatnot there are

570
00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:22,559
some things that i'm going to tell you

571
00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:24,080
about that i didn't physically see with

572
00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:27,039
my eyes and my ears but something told

573
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:28,720
me that

574
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:31,520
in my gut said that there was a pond

575
00:22:35,350 --> 00:22:34,159
on the other side of the fence

576
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:35,360
and

577
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:41,520
in my again in my mind

578
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:43,600
and it wasn't just like you know it

579
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:45,679
wasn't until many many years later i was

580
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:47,600
on google maps because i was kind of

581
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:51,039
curious to see is was there a pond or

582
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:54,240
water on the other side yes there was so

583
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:55,919
now i can corroborate it with my other

584
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:58,400
senses and say what i was feeling there

585
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:59,600
was was

586
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:01,440
was right on

587
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:02,640
the

588
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:03,919
i felt like

589
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:06,480
all of a sudden when i was

590
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,600
sitting in the driver's side now we were

591
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:11,520
driving actually

592
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:13,440
uh american

593
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:16,720
trucks so my steering wheel was on the

594
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:18,240
left side

595
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:19,840
so i'm um

596
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:21,440
i felt this

597
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:25,039
deathly face i call him the crazed man

598
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:27,200
he had like black hair and it was like

599
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:28,000
just

600
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:30,240
messed up and his face was

601
00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:31,440
dead white

602
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:35,120
and he was just kind of teasing me

603
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:37,840
uh but i didn't see him he was like it

604
00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:41,120
was right behind my window and i just i

605
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:42,640
wouldn't look because

606
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:43,520
in

607
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:44,960
times like that you just didn't want to

608
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:46,960
be scared

609
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:49,360
so i would put my car put my truck in

610
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:51,520
reverse and i would

611
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:53,200
get the hell out of there

612
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:54,799
and every time i went to the locks i

613
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:56,880
could feel him and

614
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:58,559
what's interesting

615
00:24:02,470 --> 00:24:01,200
doing research i did learn that not far

616
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:02,480
from there

617
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:05,200
was a place called rendelsham hall

618
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:07,679
that was a huge mansion

619
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:09,200
and

620
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,679
in at the mansion at one point they

621
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:13,360
ended up using it

622
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:16,880
for uh people that had drug problems and

623
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:19,600
people that were problems with alcohol

624
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:21,120
and that kind of thing

625
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:22,720
so i'm thinking there was a connection

626
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:25,200
there with the grace man and that kind

627
00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:26,159
of thing

628
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:28,000
and talking to some of the other

629
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:30,159
researchers

630
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:33,200
there there is actually something known

631
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:35,440
about this crazed man i mean it's not

632
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:37,760
like something i made up apparently you

633
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:40,240
know i was talking with linda

634
00:24:44,789 --> 00:24:42,960
moulton howe and she had corroborated

635
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:44,799
some of the things that

636
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:46,720
what i had felt

637
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:47,760
and

638
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,919
go check that fence

639
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:53,520
you know it was just

640
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:56,559
scared the heck out of me it just

641
00:25:00,149 --> 00:24:57,840
and um

642
00:25:01,909 --> 00:25:00,159
but i couldn't tell anybody either

643
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:01,919
because if i mentioned it next thing i

644
00:25:06,549 --> 00:25:04,240
know they would have put me on what we

645
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:06,559
call snap patrol

646
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:09,039
meaning they would take away my ribbons

647
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:10,320
i mean my

648
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:11,679
my beret

649
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:14,720
and you know my badge and everything and

650
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:16,400
put me on

651
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:19,360
what they call weeds and seeds duty so

652
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:21,039
i'd be out picking up trash and that

653
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:23,120
kind of thing it was it was something

654
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:26,320
that major zikler had set up to pretty

655
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:28,799
much humiliate people that he decided

656
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:30,880
weren't competent to stay in the

657
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:33,919
military so i i just had to suck it up

658
00:25:37,029 --> 00:25:35,520
can i just ask laurie because there's a

659
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:37,039
few really interesting incidents you

660
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:39,039
talked about there and the crazed man

661
00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:42,000
and had you ever felt before you joined

662
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:44,000
the military that you had any form of

663
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:46,880
you know being intuitive or any sort of

664
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:49,039
paranormal experiences in your life

665
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:51,679
before that or was this the first time

666
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:54,240
no i i did i did have it i did have it

667
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:58,320
before then when i was in third grade i

668
00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:00,000
was walking past

669
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:02,240
a door of the uh

670
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:04,000
i was going to st patrick's school and

671
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:05,760
on the

672
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:11,440
the left side was the all-purpose room

673
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:13,919
and i looked over and i was walking in

674
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:15,600
the line because they had us pretty much

675
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:17,279
we were pretty

676
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:18,799
doing everything but almost like

677
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:21,279
military you just if you were in line

678
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:23,679
you walked straight you didn't stop

679
00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:25,760
and i saw

680
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,480
mary the mother of jesus it was this

681
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:30,720
really ornate beautiful beautiful i

682
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:32,559
thought was a beautiful statue very

683
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:33,840
life-like

684
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,240
and there were flowers all around the

685
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:38,640
base and she was holding

686
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:41,679
this huge bouquet of roses and it was

687
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:44,960
just it was just phenomenal and

688
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:48,000
the interesting thing about that is that

689
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:49,679
in that particular church all the

690
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:52,640
statues at the time looked like they

691
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:56,080
carved wood that was very very plain

692
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:58,240
so it was very different than

693
00:27:02,310 --> 00:26:59,520
this beautiful

694
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:02,320
statue and the statue was very very it

695
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:03,760
was pretty big

696
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:05,360
and then i passed the second set of

697
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:08,880
double doors and the statue was gone

698
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:11,200
so i remember going home and telling my

699
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:13,679
mom about it and then my mom called up

700
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:16,720
my grandma who actually lived in ireland

701
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:18,880
and my grandma was actually for several

702
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:20,880
years she was a nun

703
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:22,159
so

704
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:23,520
she

705
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:26,799
mom just completely got it and said lord

706
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:29,520
lori had a siding glory glory saw

707
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:31,600
you know it wasn't a statue this is what

708
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:32,559
i saw

709
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:33,679
and i'm in

710
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:35,039
you know i'm a 90 year old and i'm like

711
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:36,000
okay

712
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:38,000
that's that's what i saw because i

713
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:39,679
couldn't find the statue anywhere i mean

714
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:40,880
i kind of

715
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:43,440
looked around whenever i was if i saw a

716
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:50,630
and

717
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:52,640
several a couple years ago i actually

718
00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:55,279
went back to the school and i did tell

719
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:57,279
somebody i really wanted to reach out to

720
00:28:01,909 --> 00:27:59,520
the principal and tell her about the

721
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:01,919
sighting and when i told the woman at

722
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:03,840
the at the door

723
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:05,600
of the secretary

724
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:07,120
she said you know

725
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:09,279
people have had other experiences they

726
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:11,840
could feel the presence of mary there so

727
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:13,440
i thought that was interesting too it

728
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:15,200
was one of those again

729
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,039
uh being

730
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:19,760
having it corroborated then wow so other

731
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:22,960
you know so i'm not alone with this

732
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:23,760
and

733
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:29,840
the house that we lived in was

734
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:31,919
had was

735
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:33,600
let me put it this way most of long

736
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,919
island had been run

737
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:37,520
there was a real big

738
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:38,799
presence of

739
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:40,960
native americans uh

740
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:41,840
different

741
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:42,840
indian

742
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:46,000
tribes with the iroquois and just a

743
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:47,600
bunch of different indian

744
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:50,559
tribes and i truly believe that we in

745
00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:52,720
fact i grew up in a town called nest

746
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:53,919
concert

747
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:56,399
there's a ronkonkoma down the road so a

748
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:57,679
lot of the

749
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:00,080
native american names are very much

750
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:02,559
influenced on

751
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:04,159
long island

752
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:05,440
so

753
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:06,640
i

754
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:07,520
was

755
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:11,679
bloodshed

756
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:12,480
where

757
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:14,720
our house was or it could have been a

758
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:17,200
burial site or something but there was

759
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:20,799
something evil in the in the basement

760
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:23,440
that i could actually hear and he would

761
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:24,399
laugh

762
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:26,960
really really loudly and he did that

763
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:29,039
several several times especially when

764
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:30,640
things were going bad in the house when

765
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:32,080
my mom and dad were going through a

766
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:34,960
divorce and that kind of thing was just

767
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:37,760
just completely scary and

768
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:40,960
yeah and so

769
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:43,279
yeah so the house isn't there anymore my

770
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:44,880
dad actually tore the house down and

771
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:48,720
built a house behind it and ironically

772
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:51,520
took the old house and buried it in our

773
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:52,320
old

774
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:55,440
in-ground pools so it's like a house

775
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:57,760
with whatever that was going on there

776
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:00,559
was there but i still think that

777
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:02,799
the history of a place

778
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:05,120
has a huge influence

779
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:08,000
on where where you live and it may not

780
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,200
be the history within the past 20 30

781
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:13,679
years it could be the history of 500

782
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:15,600
years ago or whatnot

783
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:18,000
or longer and i think that's the same

784
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:20,399
with what was going on over in suffolk

785
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:23,200
in england i believe that

786
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:24,880
the energies

787
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:26,480
energy that was there

788
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:28,000
really influenced a lot of the

789
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:31,039
paranormal and also the ufo sighting

790
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:32,799
yeah well let's talk about the ufo

791
00:30:35,830 --> 00:30:34,000
sighting i just found that really

792
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:35,840
interesting that you you have those

793
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:38,399
intuitive senses growing up and they've

794
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:40,000
they've carried on with you through like

795
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:42,320
womanhood and into the military and so

796
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:44,399
yeah let's talk about that ufo sighting

797
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:46,880
obviously rendelsham is famous for the

798
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:48,799
renduson forest incident that we've all

799
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:50,880
heard so much about it's now been almost

800
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:54,320
41 years this december uh what was your

801
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:57,840
own personal ufo experience at the base

802
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:58,720
well

803
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:00,720
i think what makes mine different than

804
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:02,640
the others and i actually call it the

805
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:05,039
east gate incident

806
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:07,279
eastgate was probably the

807
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:09,200
biggest place i was at raf woodbridge it

808
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:11,600
was the biggest place where most of the

809
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:14,880
paranormal anything kind of bizarre

810
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:16,880
pretty much happened quite a bit of it

811
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:20,240
happened over at arya woodbridge

812
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:23,279
uh escape was buttered up against the

813
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:25,200
wrinkles from forest

814
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:27,360
and at night the forest was was pretty

815
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:30,159
promoted it was scary

816
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:31,039
and

817
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:34,640
one night i was on patrol now this is in

818
00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:37,600
february of 1980.

819
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:38,799
in

820
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:44,159
as you probably know it's

821
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:47,760
it stays dark long yeah eat dark starts

822
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:49,120
around

823
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:50,960
i don't know five in the evening and

824
00:31:55,509 --> 00:31:52,880
stays dark until six seven in the

825
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:55,519
morning i mean yeah easily yep yeah

826
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:58,480
england does dark really really well

827
00:32:06,470 --> 00:31:59,679
and

828
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:06,480
eastgate at that point we kept the gate

829
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:07,840
locked

830
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:10,159
and so i i

831
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:12,640
go up to the gate and check it

832
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:15,760
and then i put the car in reverse and i

833
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:17,519
parked it over here

834
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:21,360
escape the the physical gate check

835
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:24,320
and i was still facing in the direction

836
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:26,240
of the north sea

837
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:29,360
and i was sitting with a i was on patrol

838
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:32,480
with i had a partner with me um keith

839
00:32:37,269 --> 00:32:33,760
duffield

840
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:37,279
and he so so he sought to

841
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:38,720
and

842
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:43,440
it was three o'clock in the morning

843
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:45,519
zero to three hundred hours

844
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:48,080
and we saw this

845
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:50,000
bright white light

846
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:52,880
coming in from the north sea

847
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:54,320
it looked like it was going to be a

848
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:57,760
large cargo plane i and i thought it was

849
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,039
kind of interesting that there was a

850
00:33:01,830 --> 00:33:00,960
plane landing

851
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:01,840
and

852
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:03,600
in the middle of the night

853
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:05,840
coming from the north sea

854
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:08,159
so i kept looking over at at the lights

855
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:09,679
of the runway which again was on the

856
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:10,480
left

857
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:12,320
kept looking over to see the runway

858
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:15,360
lights going on they didn't go on

859
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:16,720
about

860
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:17,519
maybe

861
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:20,320
i don't know 100 200 yards

862
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:21,440
i

863
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:27,120
from the end of the runway

864
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:29,039
from where i was so it wasn't that far

865
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:30,080
from me

866
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:32,799
where this light then stopped

867
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:34,559
and it hovered

868
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:36,960
and we didn't hear any noise there was

869
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:39,919
no sound but just hovered and we were

870
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:42,720
just staring at it we were in shock we

871
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:43,919
thought

872
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,799
again

873
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:46,559
what is this

874
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:48,880
and then it made these geometric

875
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:52,000
movements and it went up down left right

876
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,279
kind of in the

877
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:55,919
i call it the sign of the cross

878
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:57,039
and

879
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:58,480
it seems like the number three keeps

880
00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:01,200
coming into into place because at that

881
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:02,320
point

882
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:05,120
after it did its movements it broke into

883
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:06,720
three pieces

884
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:08,960
it's like a kind of throb but then it

885
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:11,280
burst into three pieces

886
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:14,639
and did this low arm where it went down

887
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:16,000
close to the runway so it's probably

888
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:18,320
only about maybe 10 20 feet off the

889
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:19,520
ground

890
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:20,399
and

891
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:22,000
these three pieces

892
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:22,800
then

893
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:25,679
into

894
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:27,679
the night sky

895
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,879
so

896
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:30,240
kind of like we were waiting for it to

897
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:31,520
come back

898
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:34,480
thinking well you know

899
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:36,240
when you see something like that and

900
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,639
you're processing it

901
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:40,240
sometimes it's like really hard to

902
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:42,560
really process it because you think

903
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:44,320
it's not going to end you kind of think

904
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:46,720
it's going to come back or do something

905
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:47,520
and

906
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:49,520
it didn't come back

907
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:53,040
so so we were sitting there thinking

908
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:55,119
what should we do it was pretty much i

909
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:57,440
handed the radio over to keith and i

910
00:35:02,870 --> 00:34:59,680
said look we got to report it because

911
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:02,880
it flew over the base so this is where

912
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:05,760
rfi and eastgate instant are very

913
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:08,320
different because mine actually

914
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:10,480
you know it went over the base

915
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:12,400
very low it went on the base i should

916
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:13,280
say

917
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:15,040
and

918
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:17,680
so if something happened on base because

919
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:20,960
we did have um non-munition

920
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:23,359
non-nuclear

921
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:24,800
bombs there

922
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:27,119
most of the other other bombs were the

923
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:31,839
nuclear bombs were over that waters and

924
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:32,960
so

925
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:36,800
to lead the troll

926
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:38,880
i'm thinking oh god so i got on the

927
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:41,119
radio and i started reporting it to the

928
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:43,200
death sergeant the law enforcement death

929
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:45,280
sergeant so i was going through official

930
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,000
channels with this i didn't just

931
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:50,400
let it let it go

932
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:52,960
and alan cohen was a death sergeant at

933
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:54,720
the time and

934
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:56,480
he said

935
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:59,119
pretty much said come again like

936
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:00,960
what what are you talking about then he

937
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:03,200
said he said wake up

938
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:04,640
get on

939
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:09,200
by escape so i went

940
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:10,880
got out of the vehicle went into the

941
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:13,440
gate check and got onto the land line

942
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:16,240
and he told me to go he said well what i

943
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:18,960
want you to do is go to the air tower

944
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:20,880
and see what they found

945
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:22,640
and i thought well that's good

946
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:24,400
that's good information

947
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:26,880
so at that point i got back to the truck

948
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:29,280
and we went down to the air tower and we

949
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:32,320
climbed up to the outside the uh the way

950
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:35,040
the air tower was set up this

951
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:37,920
stairway was on the outside metal stairs

952
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:41,119
so we climbed up these stairs and uh

953
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:43,599
was knocking on the door and the door

954
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:45,760
was it was a really heavy door so when

955
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:47,440
you knocked you didn't think you were

956
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:49,280
making any kind of an echo so then i

957
00:36:52,829 --> 00:36:51,119
just thought i started kicking the door

958
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:52,839
to make some

959
00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:54,480
noise

960
00:37:01,109 --> 00:36:57,680
finally this guy this airman answers the

961
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:01,119
door and you could clearly see that he

962
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:03,040
that we woke him up

963
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:04,560
there was no doubt

964
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:05,520
and

965
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:07,760
he then said i told him what we had seen

966
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:09,839
and i asked him did you see anything on

967
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:11,040
your radar

968
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:12,800
back then

969
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:15,040
the the radar wasn't as

970
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:17,040
high tech as it is now

971
00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:18,960
i don't know i really don't even know if

972
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:21,839
they even had the ability to keep it

973
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:24,640
recorded or keep anything reported so

974
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:26,320
you could look

975
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:28,240
you know look back

976
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:30,640
and he said to me

977
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:34,079
he said well i think what you saw was

978
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:36,480
afterburners from an aircraft

979
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:38,720
from the from one of the other the

980
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:40,400
british bases

981
00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:42,400
and all i could think about was well you

982
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:43,359
know

983
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:45,839
when you see afterburners you

984
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,880
have uh sonic booms i mean

985
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:50,400
you just don't

986
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:51,839
see that and i mean i've been at the

987
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:54,480
base long enough to realize what

988
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:56,960
you know what was what and

989
00:38:00,870 --> 00:37:59,359
the aircraft would make mechanical

990
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:00,880
sounds i mean

991
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:03,359
you know he he did pretty much wanted i

992
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:06,160
guess he wanted to go back to sleep

993
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:08,079
did you hear sorry laurie did you hear

994
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:10,640
any noise at all when you had the

995
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,640
sighting was there any

996
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:14,640
even feeling you know sometimes you hear

997
00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:16,480
about the kind of gravitational lensing

998
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:18,560
or gravitational waves or did you get

999
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:20,800
any kind of pulsing through you or just

1000
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:22,560
total silence

1001
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:26,320
and

1002
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:29,520
now i'm i'm walking i'm on this

1003
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:31,520
platforming with walk up these stairs so

1004
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:33,280
i'm heading back toward the stairs to go

1005
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:35,040
to my trucks

1006
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:36,800
and i'm looking out

1007
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:38,720
at the north sea

1008
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:41,599
thinking to myself

1009
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:44,079
you know how can how can

1010
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,240
someone like me by this point i felt

1011
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:48,320
really beat up from the guys from the

1012
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:50,400
way they were treating me over the time

1013
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:52,560
the years i was there

1014
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:53,599
so

1015
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:55,760
i just felt like i knew

1016
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:57,520
we would get around and be like oh

1017
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:00,880
raphael seeing ufos not keith and lori

1018
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:02,640
but it was lori

1019
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:04,160
and

1020
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:06,320
so i'm looking out at the north sea

1021
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:07,599
and what i

1022
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:11,280
didn't realize for a really long time

1023
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:12,320
is that

1024
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:14,560
the sky was actually

1025
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:16,720
it was like daybreak

1026
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:18,880
and now

1027
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:21,359
what happened was the sighting happened

1028
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:23,680
at zero 300 hours because that's where

1029
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:25,680
we were with the check sheet

1030
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:27,760
so we lost

1031
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:30,560
i would say about two hours or more

1032
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:32,480
of time you know it's like one of those

1033
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:34,240
things where people say you know time

1034
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:36,320
flies that kind of thing

1035
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:38,240
yeah but something happened because we

1036
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:41,280
lost two hours of time that there's no

1037
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:43,680
way it should have been you know the sky

1038
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:45,839
should be breaking open to

1039
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:47,520
daylight

1040
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:50,160
and so we just kind of but it was so

1041
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,839
subtle

1042
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:53,280
that

1043
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:55,359
you know we just kind of

1044
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:57,520
went on with what we were doing

1045
00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:00,400
and so there is a possibility that

1046
00:40:04,310 --> 00:40:02,320
something happened within the two hours

1047
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:04,320
and i don't know

1048
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:06,640
have you ever explored anything like

1049
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:07,599
because obviously you're talking about

1050
00:40:11,349 --> 00:40:09,760
missing time and potential i mean the

1051
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:11,359
word people will be thinking of as some

1052
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:14,240
sort of abduction experience potentially

1053
00:40:18,310 --> 00:40:16,480
but many people don't remember what may

1054
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:18,320
or may not have happened in that time

1055
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:20,480
have you ever tried hypnotic regression

1056
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:21,200
to

1057
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:24,240
missing time or any more about the

1058
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:25,680
experience

1059
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:27,440
yeah i i have actually talked to some

1060
00:40:31,589 --> 00:40:30,160
people about it but you know so

1061
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:31,599
some people say well

1062
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:34,079
you know give me 200 and i'll show you

1063
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:36,160
you know we wouldn't do it so i kind of

1064
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:38,880
figure that's something that if somebody

1065
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:41,440
knows somebody reputable and they want

1066
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:43,119
me to do it

1067
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:44,400
you know um

1068
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:46,720
i'm open to the idea but

1069
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:48,240
not not to

1070
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:52,800
my own pockets yeah and listen i'd be

1071
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:54,160
happy for any listeners and there's

1072
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:56,079
people i mean much of the audience for

1073
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:58,400
this podcast is based out in the states

1074
00:41:01,430 --> 00:41:00,079
and where you are as well and if there

1075
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:01,440
was anyone who wanted to get in touch

1076
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:03,599
with laurie you can do that online or

1077
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:05,119
you can you can get in touch with myself

1078
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:07,359
and i'll do that if you know someone

1079
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:10,160
reputable credible who wanted to assist

1080
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:12,960
in in that sort of um field to kind of

1081
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:15,119
help laurie potentially

1082
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:17,280
uh recount recount the experience so

1083
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:18,480
yeah that would be great if someone

1084
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:21,040
could get in touch um but of course what

1085
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:23,440
about keith himself did he speak about

1086
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:25,359
it much at the time what was the

1087
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:27,920
conversation you had between you

1088
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:31,760
oh um with with keith and i yeah

1089
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:34,800
we we were just pretty much uh

1090
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:36,319
we didn't know really what to say

1091
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:38,240
because because we did everything we

1092
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:41,359
could we felt like we we hit a dead end

1093
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:43,920
when by going to the

1094
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:46,560
uh you know going to the air tower so

1095
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:48,480
you know there was nothing we could

1096
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:49,920
really do i mean

1097
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:52,640
it didn't leave any artifacts behind or

1098
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:54,160
didn't you know there was nothing that

1099
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:56,800
we could use to investigate it

1100
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:58,480
um but i just felt like my

1101
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,400
responsibility was

1102
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:02,640
to report it due to if there was

1103
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,040
anything that if anything had happened

1104
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:07,200
on the base or

1105
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:09,440
um you know that i

1106
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:11,920
at least covered my butt and keith's

1107
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:14,000
butt so we you know

1108
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:16,240
we could at least say we did what we did

1109
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:18,880
and it turns out many years later the

1110
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:21,119
uh doc rhodes who

1111
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:24,480
who was one of my colleagues also

1112
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:27,920
he was at the main gate and he saw he

1113
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:30,079
actually saw the white light because

1114
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:32,079
in the same because based on where he

1115
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:33,119
was

1116
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:34,079
standing

1117
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:36,800
he could actually look out and

1118
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:38,800
toward the north sea and he could see it

1119
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:40,319
too

1120
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,800
now one of the worst kept secrets about

1121
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:44,640
the base is the fact that there seems to

1122
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:46,319
have been nuclear

1123
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:48,400
missiles or nuclear material

1124
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:49,920
kept on the base

1125
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:51,599
what was the talk

1126
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:54,319
around the time of incidents like yours

1127
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,560
incidents like the renders from forest

1128
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:58,560
incident that happened in december

1129
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:00,880
and these paranormal experiences have

1130
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:02,960
any anything to do with what was being

1131
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:04,400
kept on base

1132
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:05,280
well

1133
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:06,800
one of the other

1134
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:10,480
paranormal incidences that i had was

1135
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:14,160
when i was actually working in the uh

1136
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:17,359
we called it the nmsa which was

1137
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:19,200
over on woodbridge

1138
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:22,400
which really wasn't that far from

1139
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:24,160
from escape

1140
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:27,440
one night i was was there

1141
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:28,400
and

1142
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:30,960
it was a really cold rainy night

1143
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:33,760
which is typical of england and

1144
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:34,640
i

1145
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,000
check sheet

1146
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:40,400
and decided i was going to walk around

1147
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:42,720
um check the buildings because we had to

1148
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:45,040
do it like every other every two hours

1149
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:47,599
or every hour or something like that

1150
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,880
and

1151
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:50,640
i um

1152
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:53,280
it was the midnight shift so

1153
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:55,599
it was really dark there

1154
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:58,960
and i'm walking toward the bunkers

1155
00:44:02,230 --> 00:43:59,920
and

1156
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:02,240
at that time i got this slash that this

1157
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:04,560
was before the ufo sighting

1158
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:05,760
so

1159
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:09,760
was a

1160
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:14,480
it was like eight foot mantid that

1161
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:17,760
was very muscular and he was pacing at

1162
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:19,520
the back of the

1163
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:23,359
back of the defense line and he uh

1164
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:25,280
pretty much the only thing i heard and

1165
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,599
said was don't go

1166
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:29,280
and i figured he meant

1167
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:31,200
don't go in that direction because you

1168
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:33,359
know you're going to see

1169
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:36,400
a mantid pacing back and forth

1170
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:39,359
so i went back to my gate check and

1171
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:41,760
because it's just the thought of having

1172
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:43,839
to bump into a

1173
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:47,599
a praying mantis giant just

1174
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:48,319
no

1175
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:50,880
that that one was too much to fathom i

1176
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:52,160
mean i i

1177
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:53,760
that was just something that i buried

1178
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:55,599
for a really really really long time

1179
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:56,960
because i

1180
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:58,720
didn't understand it

1181
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,240
i just

1182
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:02,400
you know times like that especially with

1183
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:05,599
this intuition thing i sometimes

1184
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:07,520
a lot of times i wish i didn't have it

1185
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:09,839
you know i'd rather sometimes ignorance

1186
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:11,599
is bliss

1187
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:12,400
so

1188
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:13,200
i

1189
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:17,280
that

1190
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:19,599
at one point maybe about two years

1191
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:21,680
earlier they were actually renovating

1192
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:24,800
the nmsa when it was

1193
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,200
part of the weapons storage area

1194
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:29,520
at woodbridge and then someone made a

1195
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:31,599
decision so they did all this work but

1196
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:33,839
it wasn't above ground because above

1197
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:35,839
ground it was just mountains

1198
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:37,920
with uh doors on it

1199
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:39,920
in this case it was

1200
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:42,240
it had to have been inside the bunkers

1201
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:43,680
or

1202
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:45,680
somewhere but not

1203
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:47,920
ground level up

1204
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:49,280
and

1205
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:50,400
so

1206
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:52,319
they had moved the

1207
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:54,880
nuclear bombs after they renovated it

1208
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:57,440
for the nuclear bombs they decided to

1209
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:59,280
move them over to

1210
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:00,960
them waters

1211
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:02,960
so that meant that and the main reason

1212
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:04,880
they did that was because they the

1213
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:07,520
fighter aircraft the f-4s were leaving

1214
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:09,920
that waters and we were starting to

1215
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:13,359
get the a-10s different kind of aircraft

1216
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:15,680
and

1217
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:17,119
so

1218
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:18,960
that was kind of a question that a lot

1219
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:22,400
of people had is why did they renovate

1220
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,960
the uh why did they put all this money

1221
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,160
into this

1222
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:28,560
non-munition non-nuclear

1223
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:30,240
storage area

1224
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:31,359
and

1225
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:36,720
with this mantid i'm thinking that there

1226
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:39,119
was something more there in that

1227
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:40,400
location

1228
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:43,760
and uh but i i just you know you know

1229
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:46,000
for for years and years and years i mean

1230
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:50,000
i i didn't know that much about ufology

1231
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:51,599
now now people will tell me oh yeah

1232
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:54,400
mantis that's this is not the hierarchy

1233
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:57,119
of this and you know the razor down here

1234
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:59,119
and these are up here i'm thinking

1235
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:01,200
you know i didn't know i mean i guess

1236
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:03,520
maybe a part of me didn't want to go

1237
00:47:07,109 --> 00:47:04,800
and

1238
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:07,119
you know but again talking when i was

1239
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:09,040
talking with linda moulton house she

1240
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:10,880
told me that there were mansions there

1241
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,839
too

1242
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:13,520
so

1243
00:47:17,349 --> 00:47:16,079
those two kind of corroborated that and

1244
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:17,359
you know and sometimes it feels really

1245
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:19,440
good when people corroborate what i feel

1246
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:21,119
when i see or what i

1247
00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:23,760
know because you know

1248
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,319
because it's in the intuition part you

1249
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:27,920
don't have

1250
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:32,000
i've got a few questions i want to ask

1251
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:34,240
you i'm going to follow up on that

1252
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:36,640
potential underground aspect to the base

1253
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:39,200
and the listener questions portion and

1254
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:40,800
one or two things just before we get to

1255
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,319
those listener questions so lori because

1256
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:44,640
you've been great with your time so far

1257
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:47,119
what do you want to accomplish sharing

1258
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:49,040
your story because you're not someone

1259
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:50,800
than someone that's gone out there

1260
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:54,160
looking to sell lots of books or get tv

1261
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:56,720
shows made about you or appeared on you

1262
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:59,599
know countless documentaries you've just

1263
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:01,359
told your story what do you want to

1264
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:03,280
accomplish sharing that story now what

1265
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:06,880
40 years after the events yeah

1266
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:08,960
well i've been actually

1267
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:10,640
sharing my stories since actually about

1268
00:48:16,550 --> 00:48:13,839
1995 96 when the story first came out

1269
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:16,560
and i was part of the disclosure project

1270
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:18,400
in 2000 with

1271
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,640
uh stephen greer he was the first one

1272
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:22,319
that invited me

1273
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:24,319
and the

1274
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:29,040
the main reason is um for a sense of

1275
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:31,520
feeling not alone because other people

1276
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:33,359
have gone through something like this

1277
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:35,839
and so for me it's very cathartic to

1278
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:37,520
talk about it

1279
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:40,559
um the other reason is the more i talk

1280
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:42,800
about it the more i learn from others

1281
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:45,760
out there who can who can share with me

1282
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:47,200
because because

1283
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:49,839
like many people i'm on that quest to

1284
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:51,680
learn the meaning of life but to

1285
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:52,960
understand

1286
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:53,839
the

1287
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:56,559
sensitivity of

1288
00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:58,319
intuition and

1289
00:49:02,549 --> 00:49:00,640
how consciousness works and

1290
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:02,559
you could say i'm a very curious person

1291
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:04,240
and i'm interested in a lot of different

1292
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:05,760
things and

1293
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:09,040
and i i truly believe that

1294
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:11,920
um no i i don't expect to get paid money

1295
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:14,000
and i'm not in it for i'm really not in

1296
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:15,440
it for the money

1297
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:16,880
because

1298
00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:19,040
i'm fine i'm fine in that area so i'm

1299
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:20,960
not you know it's not like i'm hungry or

1300
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:23,440
i need to

1301
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:26,079
but i do believe that it's important

1302
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:28,319
because i'm a woman

1303
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:31,280
and i was a young woman at the time

1304
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:34,240
it's kind of like i'm i'm defending that

1305
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:36,400
young person who's probably lori rafael

1306
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:38,720
that's probably still there

1307
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:41,200
fighting fighting this you know what

1308
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:44,480
what's without in that atmosphere there

1309
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:46,319
how do you feel laurie when you see

1310
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:48,000
other members of the military coming

1311
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:50,480
forward now and speaking about ufos and

1312
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:53,680
new aps and particularly that the female

1313
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:55,520
members of the military that are that

1314
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:58,000
are coming forward now

1315
00:50:02,150 --> 00:50:00,720
i i actually find

1316
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:02,160
that what they're going through i can

1317
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:04,000
tell that there's still that discomfort

1318
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:06,079
to talk about it because

1319
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:08,400
again it's not tangible even for for

1320
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:10,800
those the pilots that have seen it i

1321
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:12,640
mean they could say they've seen it they

1322
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:15,280
could have it on on radar or recorded

1323
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:18,079
but the reality is is that they still

1324
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:20,319
don't know exactly what it is

1325
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:21,200
i

1326
00:51:01,670 --> 00:51:00,000
the

1327
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,680
those who are

1328
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:03,599
i would say

1329
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:09,680
the ufo the aliens or whatnot it's

1330
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:11,520
they're not gonna they're not gonna come

1331
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:12,640
out

1332
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:14,880
and say we're here this is what we're

1333
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:17,359
doing blah blah blah

1334
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:18,960
you know keep in mind when you look at

1335
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:20,800
the world and the way we treat other

1336
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:22,480
human beings how do you think we're

1337
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:23,680
going to treat

1338
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:25,359
a living being that

1339
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:28,319
is from another world our first reaction

1340
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:29,680
is to kill

1341
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:30,960
fear

1342
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:33,839
and

1343
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:38,800
benevolent reasons they're probably the

1344
00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:41,040
reason they're near nuclear

1345
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:44,000
bombs or places like that is because of

1346
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:46,000
their fear of what we could do to this

1347
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:47,119
earth

1348
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:51,119
resources that

1349
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:53,839
other planets can use

1350
00:51:58,230 --> 00:51:56,079
and

1351
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:58,240
often that's that's the key to it is

1352
00:52:01,990 --> 00:52:00,640
that until we get to the point where we

1353
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:02,000
can be

1354
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:04,880
loving and kind and generous

1355
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:07,599
will we ever really

1356
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:09,680
get to meet these

1357
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:12,000
these aliens i mean even the aliens

1358
00:52:16,710 --> 00:52:14,800
coming across mexico we make

1359
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:16,720
these human beings come across all we

1360
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:19,359
want to do is put them in jail or

1361
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:22,480
put them back in a bad situation

1362
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:24,640
so i really think that's probably some

1363
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:30,710
we won't ever really see we're not

1364
00:52:35,829 --> 00:52:33,680
seeing these people these ufos and i

1365
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:35,839
mean if you look back at roswell or

1366
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:38,559
those photos of people with with these

1367
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:39,359
dead

1368
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:41,440
aliens you know they're dissecting them

1369
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:42,800
they're seeing

1370
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:43,920
you know

1371
00:52:48,090 --> 00:52:45,520
well they're dead so let's look at

1372
00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:48,100
what's inside their their bodies

1373
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:50,079
[Music]

1374
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:51,520
you know we don't even treat animals

1375
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:52,400
right

1376
00:52:58,390 --> 00:52:56,880
so until until we get our act together

1377
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:58,400
i think it's a

1378
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:00,960
it's a long road yeah i can't i can't

1379
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:02,400
disagree with that especially where

1380
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:05,440
we're at in 2021 at the moment with uh

1381
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:07,040
things that are going on in afghanistan

1382
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:08,400
and other countries around the world

1383
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:09,200
it's

1384
00:53:12,829 --> 00:53:10,720
for people to think that tomorrow

1385
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:12,839
there's going to be some form of global

1386
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:15,520
enlightenment seems a long long way away

1387
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:17,280
given given where we're at as a species

1388
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:19,359
ourselves lori i want to ask you one

1389
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:20,800
more question just before we get to

1390
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:22,800
listener questions

1391
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:25,680
would you have believed your story back

1392
00:53:31,589 --> 00:53:28,800
then and and now if someone if a young

1393
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:31,599
laurie rayfeld had told you

1394
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:33,920
about the sighting and missing time how

1395
00:53:37,589 --> 00:53:35,839
would you have reacted then and now to

1396
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:37,599
that story

1397
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:38,960
well

1398
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:41,440
i put it this way is

1399
00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:44,319
i realized when i was there

1400
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:46,880
if jesus christ had come up to me and

1401
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:48,880
told me the meaning of life and what to

1402
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:51,440
do and whatnot i would have to say i'm

1403
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:54,720
sorry i love you however you got to go

1404
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:56,480
to the public affairs office because no

1405
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:57,920
one's gonna believe me

1406
00:54:02,309 --> 00:53:59,760
i have no credibility

1407
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:02,319
uh most airmen have no credibility what

1408
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:03,280
gave

1409
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:08,160
colonel halt

1410
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:10,480
and you know i mean you got you got a

1411
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:12,319
deputy-based commander there who's like

1412
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:13,359
the second

1413
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:15,760
second or third person in the hierarchy

1414
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:18,480
of everyone on these two bases

1415
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:21,119
yeah he's got he's got the hierarchy so

1416
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:24,480
i just felt that

1417
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:27,119
yeah i mean i i knew that i had no i

1418
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:29,680
didn't have credibility

1419
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:31,760
thanks laurie let's get that into that

1420
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:34,720
question yeah yeah and i suppose i was

1421
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:36,559
asking as well what about now if you

1422
00:54:41,589 --> 00:54:38,960
hadn't had those experiences how do you

1423
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:41,599
think you may have reacted to

1424
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:43,920
to again hearing about those types of

1425
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:47,200
events and ufos and you know a bright

1426
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:49,520
light breaking up into three pcs

1427
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:51,680
coming down

1428
00:55:19,670 --> 00:54:52,480
i

1429
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:19,680
at me or you know others out there that

1430
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:22,160
have had the courage to come forward

1431
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:24,720
you know i would say uh

1432
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:26,960
you know treat them with respect

1433
00:55:30,549 --> 00:55:28,720
and listen to what they have to share

1434
00:55:32,309 --> 00:55:30,559
because you know

1435
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:32,319
they are seeing something totally

1436
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:35,040
unusual that most people

1437
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:37,040
don't see

1438
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:40,160
and i i just think that

1439
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:41,760
i would have believed me i would have

1440
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:43,280
believed me especially because it was

1441
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:44,240
just so

1442
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:46,240
painful to have to

1443
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:48,319
share it with it because i really did

1444
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:51,040
not i didn't want to share it and i i

1445
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:52,799
would tell people that

1446
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:55,680
if i was there during rfi chances are i

1447
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:58,319
would have said we should be off base

1448
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:00,799
you know we need to call the

1449
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:03,040
the constables we need to call them and

1450
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:05,680
have them have the off duty have the

1451
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:08,000
the police for that area go check out

1452
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:10,160
the sighting i you know because that was

1453
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:12,240
out of our jurisdiction

1454
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:13,359
and

1455
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:15,680
um yeah so

1456
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:18,480
so i yeah if it's someone like me or

1457
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:20,319
someone you know the same thing comes

1458
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:22,079
across and straight forward

1459
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:24,160
you can kind of tell that

1460
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:26,319
they're not excited or happy or eager to

1461
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:29,040
share it and they're not you know

1462
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:30,559
and they're not changing their story

1463
00:56:35,109 --> 00:56:33,119
around and then i would say

1464
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:35,119
you know you i don't know maybe it's an

1465
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:37,280
intuition thing

1466
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:38,799
maybe

1467
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:41,200
i would believe that lori i would

1468
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:43,280
no that's i i don't blame you listen

1469
00:56:47,829 --> 00:56:45,440
let's get to some listener questions uh

1470
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:47,839
mark follows a couple of facebook groups

1471
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:50,240
that i think you post on as well and he

1472
00:56:54,549 --> 00:56:51,920
said that recently you have stated there

1473
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:54,559
is still activity going on in rendezon

1474
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:56,319
forest is that something you could

1475
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:58,799
expand on that it's still happening

1476
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:59,599
there

1477
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:00,400
yeah

1478
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:04,240
well i was talking with

1479
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:07,520
one of the uh the director of cable

1480
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:08,799
green

1481
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:10,880
and he

1482
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:13,359
um he had witnessed some orbs out that

1483
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:15,599
way

1484
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:18,960
right bright red orbs that really scared

1485
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:21,440
the heck out of them

1486
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:23,119
and

1487
00:57:27,990 --> 00:57:25,280
there's another gentleman

1488
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:28,000
derek's uh savoy

1489
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:29,200
who

1490
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:31,280
these these guys are on my uh rental

1491
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:34,079
show lone ranger ufo site on facebook

1492
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:36,559
and i'm the lone ranger

1493
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:37,680
okay

1494
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:39,040
um

1495
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:43,359
and he he is really uh derek

1496
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:45,280
is is a quiet

1497
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:46,480
kind of guy

1498
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:48,000
very very uh

1499
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:50,960
you know keeps himself but he's he's

1500
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:53,520
right on the money when it comes to

1501
00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:56,160
he'll go out in in the forest they take

1502
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:58,400
photos and they you know these photos

1503
00:58:02,549 --> 00:57:59,839
have all these different orbs and

1504
00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:02,559
different things going on and and he can

1505
00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:05,280
feel the atmosphere there

1506
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:15,510
and i could still feel it and that's why

1507
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:17,920
it's not something new that's there it's

1508
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:20,319
something that's been there and it has

1509
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:22,240
probably something to do with the uh the

1510
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:23,920
lee lines it probably has something to

1511
00:58:26,549 --> 00:58:25,839
do with some of the experiments they had

1512
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:26,559
done

1513
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:28,480
in and around the area whether it was

1514
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:30,799
out by boxie bay different places like

1515
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:32,960
that i think that they played around

1516
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:34,079
with

1517
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:36,640
einstein's theory of relativity and i

1518
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:39,280
really think they blew a hole in

1519
00:58:44,549 --> 00:58:41,359
the atmosphere and there's this negative

1520
00:58:46,069 --> 00:58:44,559
energy pouring out into this area here

1521
00:58:48,829 --> 00:58:46,079
over there

1522
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:48,839
especially in and around render from

1523
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:51,440
forests and um

1524
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:53,599
yeah so

1525
00:58:58,630 --> 00:58:56,880
i think it's a fascinating place if you

1526
00:59:00,870 --> 00:58:58,640
you know if you don't mind going out

1527
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:00,880
there in the middle of the night

1528
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:03,040
you know just just to get a feel for

1529
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:04,799
what it was like or

1530
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:05,760
think of

1531
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:07,359
at the time when i was there you could

1532
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:09,119
hear the foghorn

1533
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:10,720
out in the

1534
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:12,880
north sea and you could see the fog

1535
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:16,160
rolling in and i mean it's definitely

1536
00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:18,960
definitely a really really creepy place

1537
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:20,559
yeah and i think you mentioned capitol

1538
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:22,559
green which is a documentary that's been

1539
00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:25,280
in production now for for over a year uh

1540
00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:27,280
gary hasselton i believe would be the

1541
00:59:31,349 --> 00:59:29,920
director and i'm in touch with them and

1542
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:31,359
hoping when the time was right i know

1543
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:32,640
there's been some delays because i

1544
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:36,079
covered and um extra uh cgi they were

1545
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:37,839
adding in for some scenes were

1546
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:39,599
recreating they want to get just right

1547
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:40,960
so that's something that's uh we're

1548
00:59:44,309 --> 00:59:42,720
looking forward to coming out in the

1549
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:44,319
hopefully the near future as well and

1550
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:45,280
i'll be in touch with them for the

1551
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:47,680
podcast too so yeah and there's also a

1552
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:49,680
film coming out uh called randall chan

1553
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:51,920
it's gonna be about it'll be from i

1554
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:55,040
think uh colonel halp's point of view

1555
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:59,200
uh it's it's gonna be a feature

1556
01:00:02,150 --> 01:00:01,119
film kind of like a hollywood kind of

1557
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:02,160
thing

1558
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:04,000
i'm not sure exactly when it's still in

1559
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:06,079
development they have the screenplay and

1560
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:07,119
whatnot

1561
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:08,000
uh

1562
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:10,400
but that's pretty that's pretty exciting

1563
01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:11,440
too

1564
01:00:15,190 --> 01:00:13,280
and they're actually

1565
01:00:17,349 --> 01:00:15,200
yeah

1566
01:00:18,870 --> 01:00:17,359
that's exciting too i would say with

1567
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:18,880
cable green

1568
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:21,599
i think that there's a lot of hearts

1569
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:24,000
in it there's a lot of a lot of really

1570
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:26,319
good people a lot of people came forward

1571
01:00:30,789 --> 01:00:29,760
to share their stories including me

1572
01:00:32,230 --> 01:00:30,799
and

1573
01:00:38,470 --> 01:00:32,240
it's

1574
01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:38,480
the experiences as opposed to

1575
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:41,680
about the researchers and

1576
01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:43,440
some researchers have been really

1577
01:00:47,670 --> 01:00:46,400
putting it down and i i kind of think

1578
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:47,680
that one day

1579
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:50,160
some of the researchers will probably

1580
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:52,240
get their

1581
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:54,160
they'll get what they deserve

1582
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:57,440
you know the people will will say no you

1583
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:58,880
you know

1584
01:01:02,549 --> 01:01:00,799
you're lying they're telling the truth

1585
01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:02,559
you know that kind of thing yeah the

1586
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:04,640
human element of it um ryan sprague's

1587
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:06,960
book is all about experiencers and

1588
01:01:11,109 --> 01:01:08,880
people who have had sightings even kevin

1589
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:11,119
day who came forward recently a few

1590
01:01:14,870 --> 01:01:13,200
years ago now you know it's people who

1591
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:14,880
have ordinary everyday lives but

1592
01:01:18,069 --> 01:01:16,319
something incredible has happened to

1593
01:01:20,069 --> 01:01:18,079
them and this has had some sort of

1594
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:20,079
impact you know emotionally physically

1595
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:22,559
or sometimes all of the above so so yeah

1596
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:24,400
you're absolutely right um something

1597
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:25,920
else mark wanted to know about laurie

1598
01:01:30,150 --> 01:01:28,160
you touched on um below ground at the

1599
01:01:32,710 --> 01:01:30,160
base now there's been again long rumored

1600
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:32,720
to be tunnels around the base underneath

1601
01:01:36,150 --> 01:01:34,319
that would probably make sense if you're

1602
01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:36,160
storing you know nuclear material and

1603
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:38,000
nuclear weapons

1604
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:39,599
you said you've spoken to linda moulton

1605
01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:41,200
how what kind of conversations have you

1606
01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:43,280
had about what may be underneath the

1607
01:01:48,390 --> 01:01:45,280
base where you're potentially getting at

1608
01:01:51,510 --> 01:01:48,400
the idea that's housing some form of

1609
01:01:57,109 --> 01:01:53,750
yeah yeah that that was that was pretty

1610
01:01:58,549 --> 01:01:57,119
much the gist of it i um

1611
01:02:00,630 --> 01:01:58,559
now it's just a matter of me going out

1612
01:02:01,829 --> 01:02:00,640
there with a shovel and

1613
01:02:02,950 --> 01:02:01,839
start digging

1614
01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:02,960
um

1615
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:04,480
yeah i

1616
01:02:08,470 --> 01:02:06,480
yeah our conversation was was pretty

1617
01:02:10,069 --> 01:02:08,480
much focused on the

1618
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:10,079
on the uh

1619
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:11,760
demanded

1620
01:02:13,270 --> 01:02:12,160
and

1621
01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:13,280
[Music]

1622
01:02:16,630 --> 01:02:15,200
you know and then she decided she she

1623
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:16,640
didn't want to go down that road for

1624
01:02:19,829 --> 01:02:17,760
some reason

1625
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:19,839
yeah she pretty much just kind of cut me

1626
01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:21,119
off so

1627
01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:22,880
i'm i'm not really sure but she said

1628
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:24,640
there's a lot of there's a lot of

1629
01:02:29,349 --> 01:02:27,119
history to that area and

1630
01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:29,359
that others have

1631
01:02:35,829 --> 01:02:32,880
said and experienced or witnessed

1632
01:02:37,589 --> 01:02:35,839
these other beings

1633
01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:37,599
but as your gut though as someone who

1634
01:02:40,870 --> 01:02:39,359
has that intuition and someone who has

1635
01:02:43,109 --> 01:02:40,880
been there

1636
01:02:44,789 --> 01:02:43,119
it's one thing linda molten how saying

1637
01:02:47,109 --> 01:02:44,799
she's spoken to other people and having

1638
01:02:49,270 --> 01:02:47,119
no evidence for it but you were there

1639
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:49,280
you you lived on the base for some time

1640
01:02:53,109 --> 01:02:51,359
and you had experiences is that

1641
01:02:54,390 --> 01:02:53,119
something you would subscribe to because

1642
01:02:56,549 --> 01:02:54,400
it's still

1643
01:02:58,230 --> 01:02:56,559
pretty incredible to think there may be

1644
01:03:00,069 --> 01:02:58,240
right under your feet

1645
01:03:02,710 --> 01:03:00,079
some other life forms

1646
01:03:05,670 --> 01:03:02,720
either physically or or you know in a

1647
01:03:08,309 --> 01:03:05,680
conscious state existing

1648
01:03:10,150 --> 01:03:08,319
yeah i uh

1649
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:10,160
i you know at the time i never really

1650
01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:12,640
really thought about it i mean

1651
01:03:16,950 --> 01:03:14,400
it didn't come to my mind to think about

1652
01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:16,960
something underneath

1653
01:03:21,190 --> 01:03:19,440
the bases because it was old world war

1654
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:21,200
ii facilities

1655
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:23,680
but it wasn't until several years ago i

1656
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:25,920
was talking with ken kern and he was the

1657
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:28,559
one that shared with me he's also on

1658
01:03:32,710 --> 01:03:30,400
on the uh

1659
01:03:35,029 --> 01:03:32,720
lone ranger page he's one like he helps

1660
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:35,039
me out keeping the page

1661
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:37,680
from not going in a different direction

1662
01:03:41,829 --> 01:03:39,359
i kind of want to keep it on more or

1663
01:03:43,430 --> 01:03:41,839
less research of what people find and he

1664
01:03:45,829 --> 01:03:43,440
came up with that piece of information

1665
01:03:47,430 --> 01:03:45,839
that he actually worked at the weapon

1666
01:03:48,390 --> 01:03:47,440
storage area

1667
01:03:50,549 --> 01:03:48,400
at

1668
01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:50,559
woodbridge before they moved everything

1669
01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:51,839
over to

1670
01:03:55,829 --> 01:03:54,000
that waterside and i was there when they

1671
01:03:58,390 --> 01:03:55,839
moved it over there because they had me

1672
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:58,400
standing on guard with an m16 and say if

1673
01:04:02,630 --> 01:04:00,000
anybody comes over the hill you shoot

1674
01:04:04,230 --> 01:04:02,640
them i'm like okay

1675
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:04,240
and i had to deal with would i really

1676
01:04:08,710 --> 01:04:06,880
shoot somebody you know anyway

1677
01:04:11,430 --> 01:04:08,720
i'm glad you never had to that you're

1678
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:11,440
away that that you

1679
01:04:15,430 --> 01:04:12,720
you never remember what happened in that

1680
01:04:17,670 --> 01:04:15,440
missing time um listen dave had a

1681
01:04:19,829 --> 01:04:17,680
question do you think the american

1682
01:04:20,870 --> 01:04:19,839
personnel who experienced the rendering

1683
01:04:22,870 --> 01:04:20,880
event

1684
01:04:24,549 --> 01:04:22,880
were aware of the other paranormal

1685
01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:24,559
activity at the base that you've talked

1686
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:26,960
about

1687
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:28,079
uh

1688
01:04:33,109 --> 01:04:29,520
i don't think there were

1689
01:04:35,910 --> 01:04:33,119
like the manatee that i experienced or

1690
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:35,920
i experienced the gray at

1691
01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:38,160
in the right behind me at the at the

1692
01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:40,640
gate shack at escape

1693
01:04:44,549 --> 01:04:43,280
and then i experienced uh seeing the

1694
01:04:46,950 --> 01:04:44,559
ghost of

1695
01:04:49,349 --> 01:04:46,960
colonel thompson who was a uh

1696
01:04:51,270 --> 01:04:49,359
who was one of the pilots that actually

1697
01:04:53,349 --> 01:04:51,280
died in a

1698
01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:53,359
in an air show i think it was that chick

1699
01:04:58,390 --> 01:04:56,400
sands rf chicks and

1700
01:04:59,829 --> 01:04:58,400
what a lot of people talk about was more

1701
01:05:01,510 --> 01:04:59,839
or less the

1702
01:05:03,190 --> 01:05:01,520
the stories were the woman on the

1703
01:05:07,270 --> 01:05:03,200
bicycle

1704
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:07,280
will

1705
01:05:11,589 --> 01:05:09,039
one of these guys was driving a metro

1706
01:05:13,589 --> 01:05:11,599
van where it didn't have any windows on

1707
01:05:15,270 --> 01:05:13,599
on the side so all these guys would be

1708
01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:15,280
sitting inside this

1709
01:05:20,950 --> 01:05:17,920
this box kind of van

1710
01:05:23,270 --> 01:05:20,960
and the only one who could see out was

1711
01:05:26,230 --> 01:05:23,280
the driver and the driver shared with me

1712
01:05:28,069 --> 01:05:26,240
once that that yeah he had an experience

1713
01:05:28,950 --> 01:05:28,079
where he looked out he could see this

1714
01:05:31,349 --> 01:05:28,960
woman

1715
01:05:33,910 --> 01:05:31,359
on a bicycle and

1716
01:05:36,710 --> 01:05:33,920
then he started to then he looked out he

1717
01:05:39,510 --> 01:05:36,720
was looking at us through the mirror the

1718
01:05:41,910 --> 01:05:39,520
side mirror and he could see that she

1719
01:05:43,349 --> 01:05:41,920
was keeping pace with him and she's on

1720
01:05:44,710 --> 01:05:43,359
an old bicycle

1721
01:05:46,069 --> 01:05:44,720
and then he noticed she didn't have a

1722
01:05:46,950 --> 01:05:46,079
face and that's

1723
01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:46,960
he said

1724
01:05:53,829 --> 01:05:48,240
scared

1725
01:05:55,829 --> 01:05:53,839
he started driving really fast so this

1726
01:05:58,710 --> 01:05:55,839
is one between

1727
01:06:01,349 --> 01:05:58,720
you skate the back gate and

1728
01:06:02,870 --> 01:06:01,359
to the back gate of

1729
01:06:05,829 --> 01:06:02,880
bent waters which would take you through

1730
01:06:06,710 --> 01:06:05,839
butly we've called it the butling gate

1731
01:06:08,950 --> 01:06:06,720
and

1732
01:06:11,349 --> 01:06:08,960
he started he said he was for having

1733
01:06:13,270 --> 01:06:11,359
he sort of dropped 50 60 miles an hour i

1734
01:06:15,270 --> 01:06:13,280
mean he was pushing this thing

1735
01:06:18,390 --> 01:06:15,280
no one in the back knew what was going

1736
01:06:20,549 --> 01:06:18,400
on but he'd look out and he's going 50

1737
01:06:23,029 --> 01:06:20,559
miles an hour and this this woman on his

1738
01:06:24,390 --> 01:06:23,039
bicycle without a face is keeping pace

1739
01:06:25,510 --> 01:06:24,400
with him

1740
01:06:27,589 --> 01:06:25,520
and so

1741
01:06:29,109 --> 01:06:27,599
and i've heard some other people share

1742
01:06:30,150 --> 01:06:29,119
similar stories

1743
01:06:31,829 --> 01:06:30,160
that's really

1744
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:31,839
i'm really glad i didn't see her that

1745
01:06:37,430 --> 01:06:32,960
would have

1746
01:06:39,270 --> 01:06:37,440
blown me away yeah i'm i'm good with i'm

1747
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:39,280
good with ufos and aliens but when it

1748
01:06:43,190 --> 01:06:41,680
comes to uh ghosts it's uh shiver down

1749
01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:43,200
the spine for me i'm not very good

1750
01:06:47,190 --> 01:06:45,760
watching ghost movies but um listen i

1751
01:06:48,870 --> 01:06:47,200
think listeners ears would have pricked

1752
01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:48,880
up when you mentioned you experienced

1753
01:06:51,430 --> 01:06:49,839
the gray

1754
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:51,440
and it would be remiss of me on a

1755
01:06:55,270 --> 01:06:53,520
podcast called that ufo podcast not to

1756
01:06:57,029 --> 01:06:55,280
dig in a little bit deeper about that

1757
01:06:58,309 --> 01:06:57,039
what was the experience you had with the

1758
01:07:00,309 --> 01:06:58,319
gray

1759
01:07:02,150 --> 01:07:00,319
yeah i was sitting in the hip check and

1760
01:07:04,150 --> 01:07:02,160
it was about again three o'clock in the

1761
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:04,160
morning something like that that number

1762
01:07:08,789 --> 01:07:08,000
three yeah yeah yeah yeah three

1763
01:07:14,910 --> 01:07:08,799
and

1764
01:07:18,230 --> 01:07:14,920
realized it

1765
01:07:20,470 --> 01:07:18,240
a long time ago

1766
01:07:23,829 --> 01:07:20,480
if i'm sitting in the gate shack and

1767
01:07:25,270 --> 01:07:23,839
he's behind me and

1768
01:07:28,069 --> 01:07:25,280
he's somewhere

1769
01:07:30,150 --> 01:07:28,079
he had to have only been about maybe

1770
01:07:31,510 --> 01:07:30,160
three four feet tall

1771
01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:31,520
something like that and he had a big

1772
01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:34,000
gray head but i i saw him again from my

1773
01:07:37,829 --> 01:07:35,760
mind and he told me not to turn around

1774
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:37,839
because he didn't want me to be scared

1775
01:07:44,549 --> 01:07:38,720
so

1776
01:07:47,109 --> 01:07:44,559
i don't care i'm not looking though

1777
01:07:49,270 --> 01:07:47,119
because the last thing you need to do is

1778
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:49,280
we had we had we had guys

1779
01:07:53,670 --> 01:07:51,680
who would actually

1780
01:07:56,069 --> 01:07:53,680
one guy shot off his weapon while he was

1781
01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:56,079
out there on east skate

1782
01:07:59,430 --> 01:07:57,839
and and i got a phone call i was on the

1783
01:08:01,029 --> 01:07:59,440
back end of

1784
01:08:02,789 --> 01:08:01,039
bentwater's the butler gate and they

1785
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:02,799
said ray belt

1786
01:08:06,630 --> 01:08:04,160
what are you doing are you shooting your

1787
01:08:09,029 --> 01:08:06,640
weapon off i'm like no i need the death

1788
01:08:11,029 --> 01:08:09,039
sort and hung up and then we found out

1789
01:08:12,150 --> 01:08:11,039
later that it was the the airmen on

1790
01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:12,160
eastgate

1791
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:15,200
and we we had a lot of airmen go through

1792
01:08:19,590 --> 01:08:16,960
extreme situations to get out of the

1793
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:19,600
base get off base and

1794
01:08:23,669 --> 01:08:20,640
um

1795
01:08:25,189 --> 01:08:23,679
yeah it was just a real waste that we

1796
01:08:27,749 --> 01:08:25,199
have a lot of young airmen that were

1797
01:08:29,669 --> 01:08:27,759
eager to please and do a good job and

1798
01:08:32,309 --> 01:08:29,679
the whole thing and next thing you know

1799
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:32,319
they're being kicked out

1800
01:08:36,630 --> 01:08:34,480
dave also had a follow-up on that and

1801
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:36,640
what is your best guess at what the

1802
01:08:43,829 --> 01:08:40,400
origin of this phenomenon is

1803
01:08:49,669 --> 01:08:46,390
i i think it has to do with like i

1804
01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:49,679
mentioned its combination of the history

1805
01:08:52,950 --> 01:08:51,199
of the place

1806
01:08:54,789 --> 01:08:52,960
i mean you'd have to probably almost go

1807
01:08:56,789 --> 01:08:54,799
back thousands of years

1808
01:08:59,910 --> 01:08:56,799
there's a high

1809
01:09:02,229 --> 01:08:59,920
the energy level at that area the lead

1810
01:09:05,590 --> 01:09:02,239
lines that intersect it

1811
01:09:07,669 --> 01:09:05,600
um has something to do with it and the

1812
01:09:09,990 --> 01:09:07,679
you know and the fact that it's actually

1813
01:09:11,349 --> 01:09:10,000
in alignment with

1814
01:09:14,309 --> 01:09:11,359
um

1815
01:09:15,829 --> 01:09:14,319
the uh like the pyramids and the bermuda

1816
01:09:17,189 --> 01:09:15,839
triangle i mean it's interesting when

1817
01:09:18,149 --> 01:09:17,199
you start realizing that all these

1818
01:09:19,110 --> 01:09:18,159
places

1819
01:09:21,749 --> 01:09:19,120
have

1820
01:09:22,630 --> 01:09:21,759
that are are connected

1821
01:09:24,230 --> 01:09:22,640
and

1822
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:24,240
so it's um

1823
01:09:28,149 --> 01:09:26,480
[Music]

1824
01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:28,159
yeah i um

1825
01:09:32,149 --> 01:09:30,400
i i just kind of think it was that i

1826
01:09:33,749 --> 01:09:32,159
also think the experiments that they had

1827
01:09:36,229 --> 01:09:33,759
done cobra missed

1828
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:36,239
some of the experiments and

1829
01:09:44,440 --> 01:09:43,189
aircraft to be invisible i think playing

1830
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:44,450
around with that and

1831
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:46,000
[Music]

1832
01:09:49,910 --> 01:09:48,719
that particular exercise of

1833
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:49,920
um

1834
01:09:54,790 --> 01:09:53,520
not exercise that particular

1835
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:54,800
experiment

1836
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:56,640
ended up

1837
01:09:58,470 --> 01:09:57,290
causing

1838
01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:58,480
[Music]

1839
01:10:02,390 --> 01:10:00,480
a high-pitched sound that they realized

1840
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:02,400
didn't come from internal didn't come

1841
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:04,719
from the equipment so instead of trying

1842
01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:07,199
to pursue what happened they dismantled

1843
01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:08,239
it

1844
01:10:12,470 --> 01:10:10,560
they still have the rays out there too

1845
01:10:14,790 --> 01:10:12,480
out by the um

1846
01:10:17,030 --> 01:10:14,800
the north sea you can actually see where

1847
01:10:17,830 --> 01:10:17,040
where the uh like the cobra mist was set

1848
01:10:20,149 --> 01:10:17,840
up

1849
01:10:21,030 --> 01:10:20,159
but people could say a lot of things as

1850
01:10:23,590 --> 01:10:21,040
for

1851
01:10:24,870 --> 01:10:23,600
what happened you know and

1852
01:10:26,870 --> 01:10:24,880
you know i just kind of think when

1853
01:10:28,630 --> 01:10:26,880
you've got this accumulation of stuff

1854
01:10:30,310 --> 01:10:28,640
going on and it's been happening for

1855
01:10:33,110 --> 01:10:30,320
many many many many years and then

1856
01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:33,120
you've got witchcraft going on in druids

1857
01:10:35,990 --> 01:10:34,480
and

1858
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:36,000
you know um

1859
01:10:41,270 --> 01:10:38,480
that whole activity it

1860
01:10:42,149 --> 01:10:41,280
starts to make sense that

1861
01:10:44,550 --> 01:10:42,159
why

1862
01:10:48,070 --> 01:10:44,560
it wouldn't be a hot spot for

1863
01:10:50,070 --> 01:10:48,080
ufos and para paranormal

1864
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:50,080
and finally dave from shadows of your

1865
01:10:53,990 --> 01:10:52,000
mind magazine asked what are your

1866
01:10:56,790 --> 01:10:54,000
thoughts on larry warren's version of

1867
01:10:58,310 --> 01:10:56,800
events about rendelsham since a lot of

1868
01:11:01,510 --> 01:10:58,320
the information he talked about has come

1869
01:11:03,350 --> 01:11:01,520
out as being fabricated or not true

1870
01:11:06,790 --> 01:11:03,360
well i'm really glad i'm really glad

1871
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:06,800
someone asked that question because

1872
01:11:11,350 --> 01:11:08,880
larry and i our time together

1873
01:11:13,750 --> 01:11:11,360
intersected briefly he got there around

1874
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:13,760
summer first and i was counting my days

1875
01:11:17,189 --> 01:11:15,280
down literally i had a little piece of

1876
01:11:19,350 --> 01:11:17,199
paper i kept in my pocket and i would

1877
01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:19,360
cross it off each day

1878
01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:20,640
and

1879
01:11:27,189 --> 01:11:23,600
the one thing about larry is that he

1880
01:11:29,590 --> 01:11:27,199
was the first one he never gave up um

1881
01:11:31,350 --> 01:11:29,600
he never gave up pursuing the story

1882
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:31,360
while he was there when he was there

1883
01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:33,360
people told him to shut up shut up shut

1884
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:35,920
up and he wouldn't quit

1885
01:11:40,709 --> 01:11:38,640
and then they started really really not

1886
01:11:43,910 --> 01:11:40,719
treating him

1887
01:11:50,070 --> 01:11:43,920
he

1888
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:50,080
intended to do

1889
01:11:54,470 --> 01:11:53,520
and they gave him this deal you can go

1890
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:54,480
and

1891
01:11:58,870 --> 01:11:56,880
get out

1892
01:12:01,110 --> 01:11:58,880
because you're not doing the job you

1893
01:12:02,709 --> 01:12:01,120
intend to do but i think it was a

1894
01:12:05,830 --> 01:12:02,719
loophole that

1895
01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:05,840
that makes zikler was using to to get

1896
01:12:12,229 --> 01:12:08,800
them out because he learned later on he

1897
01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:12,239
he had a code on his dd form 2014 said

1898
01:12:15,990 --> 01:12:15,199
he couldn't come back in

1899
01:12:17,189 --> 01:12:16,000
so

1900
01:12:22,709 --> 01:12:17,199
i

1901
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:22,719
that he wrote and he was the reason why

1902
01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:24,880
it was like i was asleep for many many

1903
01:12:28,709 --> 01:12:26,480
years because i didn't know it came back

1904
01:12:30,310 --> 01:12:28,719
i left december 15.

1905
01:12:33,430 --> 01:12:30,320
and when i

1906
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:33,440
was typing in netsuite it came across

1907
01:12:37,270 --> 01:12:35,760
left then he skate and so this is about

1908
01:12:39,350 --> 01:12:37,280
1996

1909
01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:39,360
and i'm thinking oh my god why are they

1910
01:12:43,750 --> 01:12:41,280
talking about escape i mean this is like

1911
01:12:46,149 --> 01:12:43,760
a little my new tiny place

1912
01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:46,159
in the in the planet and it really got

1913
01:12:50,709 --> 01:12:48,400
me into a position where

1914
01:12:53,110 --> 01:12:50,719
i was really really the lori ray felt

1915
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:53,120
that was there in 1980 who was pretty

1916
01:12:57,750 --> 01:12:55,440
much marginalized and told to shut up

1917
01:12:59,270 --> 01:12:57,760
and i you know i was very obedient and i

1918
01:13:01,669 --> 01:12:59,280
did shut up

1919
01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:01,679
that i wanted answers i wanted dancers

1920
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:04,640
to know what was going on there and and

1921
01:13:08,790 --> 01:13:06,480
you know because i i felt like

1922
01:13:11,110 --> 01:13:08,800
throughout the decades that was the

1923
01:13:12,550 --> 01:13:11,120
worst assignment i ever had because it

1924
01:13:14,950 --> 01:13:12,560
was just a

1925
01:13:18,229 --> 01:13:14,960
distress level everything about the base

1926
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:18,239
uh everything about it was just it was

1927
01:13:20,950 --> 01:13:19,920
just too much it was like everything was

1928
01:13:23,510 --> 01:13:20,960
off

1929
01:13:25,030 --> 01:13:23,520
and he noticed that in one of his

1930
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:25,040
chapters he mentioned about getting to

1931
01:13:29,110 --> 01:13:26,480
the base and he

1932
01:13:30,630 --> 01:13:29,120
he noticed it was off a bit

1933
01:13:34,070 --> 01:13:30,640
now

1934
01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:34,080
he um his story is right on the money

1935
01:13:36,630 --> 01:13:35,040
and

1936
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:36,640
a lot of people

1937
01:13:40,790 --> 01:13:37,840
have been

1938
01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:40,800
examining his documents or examining

1939
01:13:45,189 --> 01:13:43,040
different things but you know personally

1940
01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:45,199
i really think that

1941
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:46,960
um

1942
01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:48,000
he's had

1943
01:13:55,350 --> 01:13:53,280
his old friends or something and and for

1944
01:13:56,470 --> 01:13:55,360
some reason they want revenge and

1945
01:13:58,950 --> 01:13:56,480
whatnot

1946
01:14:00,709 --> 01:13:58,960
and i i you know that's between him and

1947
01:14:02,630 --> 01:14:00,719
his friends but

1948
01:14:05,510 --> 01:14:02,640
personally what i think what they did to

1949
01:14:08,149 --> 01:14:05,520
him what nick pope did to him to stop

1950
01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:08,159
the buyer it all did to him

1951
01:14:15,270 --> 01:14:09,280
was

1952
01:14:17,910 --> 01:14:15,280
to defame him the way they did after he

1953
01:14:19,990 --> 01:14:17,920
was one of the first people to actually

1954
01:14:21,510 --> 01:14:20,000
stick his neck out in the

1955
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:21,520
1980s

1956
01:14:24,550 --> 01:14:22,560
um

1957
01:14:26,790 --> 01:14:24,560
you know i i just kind of think he's a

1958
01:14:29,669 --> 01:14:26,800
human being

1959
01:14:31,189 --> 01:14:29,679
he makes mistakes however i really think

1960
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:31,199
that all the stuff they were talking

1961
01:14:33,750 --> 01:14:32,640
about

1962
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:33,760
was

1963
01:14:41,189 --> 01:14:39,440
desperation i doubt you know i can't

1964
01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:41,199
talk about i don't know

1965
01:14:43,270 --> 01:14:42,400
um

1966
01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:43,280
but

1967
01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:45,199
you know what he did in his personal

1968
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:47,440
life shouldn't reflect i think on what

1969
01:14:54,709 --> 01:14:48,320
he

1970
01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:54,719
because this whole sighting has been a

1971
01:14:59,910 --> 01:14:57,920
part of his life he's highly intelligent

1972
01:15:03,189 --> 01:14:59,920
he's very very thoughtful

1973
01:15:05,990 --> 01:15:03,199
and he's got his story to share and

1974
01:15:08,830 --> 01:15:06,000
we have the right to to listen to it

1975
01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:08,840
when i was listening watching one of the

1976
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:12,320
shows recently

1977
01:15:15,189 --> 01:15:13,760
somebody videotaped one of the

1978
01:15:18,870 --> 01:15:15,199
conferences

1979
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:18,880
and to give you an example and it had

1980
01:15:22,950 --> 01:15:20,960
had say nick pope in it

1981
01:15:25,669 --> 01:15:22,960
and nick pope showed a picture of the

1982
01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:25,679
skate on it and when i was watching it

1983
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:27,840
i'm like that's not the escape that we

1984
01:15:30,630 --> 01:15:29,760
all know

1985
01:15:32,229 --> 01:15:30,640
so

1986
01:15:35,030 --> 01:15:32,239
in many ways

1987
01:15:37,669 --> 01:15:35,040
you're getting some dis bad information

1988
01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:37,679
from people who are calling themselves

1989
01:15:42,470 --> 01:15:39,280
researchers

1990
01:15:45,669 --> 01:15:42,480
so i truly believe that what makes them

1991
01:15:47,110 --> 01:15:45,679
better or worse than

1992
01:15:49,189 --> 01:15:47,120
than larry

1993
01:15:50,390 --> 01:15:49,199
i i just think that larry's a human

1994
01:15:52,470 --> 01:15:50,400
being

1995
01:15:55,110 --> 01:15:52,480
he's you know he's got

1996
01:15:57,030 --> 01:15:55,120
his he's got his issues i have my issues

1997
01:15:58,790 --> 01:15:57,040
you have your issues you know i mean

1998
01:16:00,390 --> 01:15:58,800
none of us are

1999
01:16:03,189 --> 01:16:00,400
you know are perfect

2000
01:16:04,070 --> 01:16:03,199
but i don't believe

2001
01:16:05,590 --> 01:16:04,080
that

2002
01:16:07,910 --> 01:16:05,600
what he's written

2003
01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:07,920
i mean it matches too much up to my

2004
01:16:13,030 --> 01:16:11,280
story too much because i was there for

2005
01:16:15,750 --> 01:16:13,040
two and a half years so

2006
01:16:17,590 --> 01:16:15,760
so if anyone knows what was going on

2007
01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:17,600
there for the

2008
01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:20,400
especially if you're sensitive to the

2009
01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:21,920
environment there

2010
01:16:25,750 --> 01:16:24,239
i mean my mom even picked it up she got

2011
01:16:27,430 --> 01:16:25,760
she came to visit me for two weeks and

2012
01:16:29,189 --> 01:16:27,440
she said i gotta get you the hell out of

2013
01:16:31,669 --> 01:16:29,199
here she said something's wrong with

2014
01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:31,679
this place i mean my mom felt it

2015
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:34,080
and i just think that um what's happened

2016
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:35,440
with him

2017
01:16:40,950 --> 01:16:38,400
he needs to get his word out he needs to

2018
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:40,960
share his story to continue sharing it

2019
01:16:46,950 --> 01:16:43,920
he's done so much for ufology and for

2020
01:16:49,270 --> 01:16:46,960
people to turn on him it's just to me

2021
01:16:50,229 --> 01:16:49,280
you know you might not like him as a guy

2022
01:16:53,189 --> 01:16:50,239
but

2023
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:53,199
you know his his information is right on

2024
01:16:56,310 --> 01:16:54,159
the money

2025
01:16:58,390 --> 01:16:56,320
peter robbins may

2026
01:17:01,270 --> 01:16:58,400
may have changed his mind that that's

2027
01:17:04,070 --> 01:17:01,280
his personal thing but

2028
01:17:05,930 --> 01:17:04,080
um i just think that

2029
01:17:07,350 --> 01:17:05,940
it's time to quit beating up on

2030
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:07,360
[Music]

2031
01:17:12,310 --> 01:17:09,840
on people that have experienced

2032
01:17:13,830 --> 01:17:12,320
you know what we experienced yeah and

2033
01:17:16,630 --> 01:17:13,840
that was the essence of why they came up

2034
01:17:17,830 --> 01:17:16,640
with capable greens because this story

2035
01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:17,840
is

2036
01:17:21,110 --> 01:17:19,360
legitimate

2037
01:17:23,590 --> 01:17:21,120
no some interesting thoughts said lori i

2038
01:17:25,750 --> 01:17:23,600
do appreciate that um lori how can

2039
01:17:27,830 --> 01:17:25,760
people follow you and you've mentioned

2040
01:17:30,390 --> 01:17:27,840
the facebook page how can they

2041
01:17:33,030 --> 01:17:30,400
keep in touch with you as well yeah they

2042
01:17:34,630 --> 01:17:33,040
can also reach me on that on my twitter

2043
01:17:37,830 --> 01:17:34,640
site at

2044
01:17:40,390 --> 01:17:37,840
lori l-o-r-r

2045
01:17:41,910 --> 01:17:40,400
i think there's four hours

2046
01:17:47,110 --> 01:17:41,920
i'll put the i'll put the link in the

2047
01:17:50,149 --> 01:17:49,270
a lot of times here in the story it

2048
01:17:52,070 --> 01:17:50,159
usually

2049
01:17:55,990 --> 01:17:52,080
can take me almost two hours to go

2050
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:56,000
through it because of the experience and

2051
01:17:59,430 --> 01:17:58,640
some days i'm really on and and today

2052
01:18:03,189 --> 01:17:59,440
i'm

2053
01:18:03,990 --> 01:18:03,199
but i do apologize for that no it's been

2054
01:18:06,229 --> 01:18:04,000
good

2055
01:18:07,270 --> 01:18:06,239
okay and you mentioned the facebook page

2056
01:18:08,790 --> 01:18:07,280
as well what was the name of the

2057
01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:08,800
facebook page if people want to join the

2058
01:18:13,590 --> 01:18:09,679
group

2059
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:13,600
it's the regular lone ranger ufo site

2060
01:18:17,830 --> 01:18:15,120
the thing is interesting about it

2061
01:18:19,750 --> 01:18:17,840
they'll say well why rental sim

2062
01:18:22,709 --> 01:18:19,760
why lone ranger

2063
01:18:27,110 --> 01:18:22,719
and it's because i was on

2064
01:18:29,830 --> 01:18:27,120
john burroughs and jim pennison's page

2065
01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:29,840
was a justice for the 81st security

2066
01:18:33,750 --> 01:18:31,120
police

2067
01:18:34,790 --> 01:18:33,760
squadron of 1980

2068
01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:34,800
and

2069
01:18:39,750 --> 01:18:36,400
you know wanting to know about what

2070
01:18:41,750 --> 01:18:39,760
happened during that time and

2071
01:18:44,630 --> 01:18:41,760
i joined the page because my sighting

2072
01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:44,640
happened in 1980 but it happened it was

2073
01:18:49,510 --> 01:18:48,159
precursor happened 1980 uh february

2074
01:18:51,510 --> 01:18:49,520
so

2075
01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:51,520
you know it was like i'm an adult

2076
01:18:56,630 --> 01:18:54,960
they're adults and anyway john

2077
01:18:58,149 --> 01:18:56,640
apparently kicked me off the page

2078
01:19:00,630 --> 01:18:58,159
because i wanted to talk about something

2079
01:19:03,110 --> 01:19:00,640
that was outside of rfi

2080
01:19:06,149 --> 01:19:03,120
and that's key if i have anything to

2081
01:19:07,910 --> 01:19:06,159
leave with anybody in this gotta look at

2082
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:07,920
all the pieces and there's a whole lot

2083
01:19:11,189 --> 01:19:10,239
of pieces out there and i just think

2084
01:19:12,470 --> 01:19:11,199
that

2085
01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:12,480
um

2086
01:19:16,790 --> 01:19:15,120
that's why i bring up my story so that i

2087
01:19:18,470 --> 01:19:16,800
can hear other people bring in other

2088
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:18,480
pieces say yeah you know rory's right

2089
01:19:23,030 --> 01:19:20,640
because i had this thing happen

2090
01:19:25,430 --> 01:19:23,040
something else happened that was similar

2091
01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:25,440
um you know i i mean that's the way i

2092
01:19:29,430 --> 01:19:27,440
learned about lee lines and that's where

2093
01:19:30,870 --> 01:19:29,440
i learned about all these different

2094
01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:30,880
you know um

2095
01:19:36,470 --> 01:19:33,600
like there's a relationship between

2096
01:19:38,870 --> 01:19:36,480
over not far from raf woodbridge is this

2097
01:19:42,149 --> 01:19:38,880
place called sutton who and they've got

2098
01:19:43,189 --> 01:19:42,159
these mountains that are in the shape of

2099
01:19:45,350 --> 01:19:43,199
uh

2100
01:19:48,870 --> 01:19:45,360
plate pleiades

2101
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:48,880
of the star cluster kind of like subaru

2102
01:19:53,430 --> 01:19:51,360
what we drive and

2103
01:19:55,189 --> 01:19:53,440
there's another place called the zone of

2104
01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:55,199
silence in

2105
01:20:00,870 --> 01:19:58,080
in mexico that propped up in that

2106
01:20:03,350 --> 01:20:00,880
cropped up in one of my dreams

2107
01:20:06,950 --> 01:20:03,360
and they've had these

2108
01:20:07,750 --> 01:20:06,960
play people there too

2109
01:20:09,030 --> 01:20:07,760
so

2110
01:20:10,709 --> 01:20:09,040
there's a lot of connections that come

2111
01:20:13,430 --> 01:20:10,719
through dreams and different things like

2112
01:20:15,189 --> 01:20:13,440
that and you know these are again other

2113
01:20:17,750 --> 01:20:15,199
pieces that

2114
01:20:19,990 --> 01:20:17,760
that are all together and there's a

2115
01:20:22,950 --> 01:20:20,000
relationship between

2116
01:20:25,270 --> 01:20:22,960
what happened also as far back as like

2117
01:20:26,709 --> 01:20:25,280
atlantis you know where

2118
01:20:28,790 --> 01:20:26,719
you know where we're getting a lot of

2119
01:20:30,470 --> 01:20:28,800
the information

2120
01:20:32,470 --> 01:20:30,480
you know we find

2121
01:20:35,750 --> 01:20:32,480
um i found that

2122
01:20:38,229 --> 01:20:35,760
when i was about 10 years old i uh

2123
01:20:39,430 --> 01:20:38,239
i wanted to see the film and chariot of

2124
01:20:41,430 --> 01:20:39,440
the gods

2125
01:20:44,070 --> 01:20:41,440
it was it was like

2126
01:20:46,070 --> 01:20:44,080
i wasn't much into documentaries but for

2127
01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:46,080
some reason i was really wanting to

2128
01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:49,120
understand what was going on with you

2129
01:20:53,030 --> 01:20:51,040
know with how things

2130
01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:53,040
end up where they are

2131
01:20:54,550 --> 01:20:53,760
and

2132
01:20:59,590 --> 01:20:54,560
so

2133
01:21:02,229 --> 01:20:59,600
wanting to get these pieces together and

2134
01:21:04,149 --> 01:21:02,239
it doesn't have to be my story it needs

2135
01:21:05,350 --> 01:21:04,159
to be shared you need to be a shared

2136
01:21:07,430 --> 01:21:05,360
story

2137
01:21:09,430 --> 01:21:07,440
and like like you say the the east gate

2138
01:21:11,830 --> 01:21:09,440
incident it's it's your story but it's

2139
01:21:13,189 --> 01:21:11,840
keith's story and other story and it's

2140
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:13,199
it's a piece of the puzzle and you're

2141
01:21:16,630 --> 01:21:14,560
all you're all part of that aren't you

2142
01:21:18,390 --> 01:21:16,640
that what's going on at wendell shim and

2143
01:21:20,870 --> 01:21:18,400
hopefully people listening to you laura

2144
01:21:22,790 --> 01:21:20,880
here are um are able to kind of pick up

2145
01:21:25,189 --> 01:21:22,800
on a new part of that story and and can

2146
01:21:26,870 --> 01:21:25,199
i take that forward as well so uh it's

2147
01:21:29,430 --> 01:21:26,880
been lovely speaking with you i've had a

2148
01:21:31,270 --> 01:21:29,440
great time and i hope to hear you on

2149
01:21:33,189 --> 01:21:31,280
other podcasts and shows as well sharing

2150
01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:33,199
your story again so more more people can

2151
01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:34,480
hear it

2152
01:21:39,510 --> 01:21:36,960
well if you ever want me back i'm here

2153
01:21:41,669 --> 01:21:39,520
for you too that is all for this week's

2154
01:21:43,510 --> 01:21:41,679
show thank you very much for listening

2155
01:21:46,149 --> 01:21:43,520
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2156
01:21:48,630 --> 01:21:46,159
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2157
01:21:50,790 --> 01:21:48,640
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2158
01:21:52,709 --> 01:21:50,800
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2159
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2160
01:21:57,030 --> 01:21:54,560
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2161
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:57,040
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2162
01:22:01,990 --> 01:21:59,760
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2163
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2164
01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:04,800
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2165
01:22:10,070 --> 01:22:08,000
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2166
01:22:13,070 --> 01:22:10,080
and again folks as always keep looking

2167
01:22:40,250 --> 01:22:13,080
up you never know what you might see

2168
01:22:40,260 --> 01:23:04,709
[Music]

2169
01:23:04,719 --> 01:23:09,990
jump

2170
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:11,270
there was something on my head and

2171
01:23:14,790 --> 01:23:12,960
everything was weird and everything was

2172
01:23:16,149 --> 01:23:14,800
red i helped out my boys they thought

2173
01:23:24,290 --> 01:23:16,159
this was noise they thought it was a

2174
01:23:32,870 --> 01:23:30,790
[Music]

2175
01:23:38,670 --> 01:23:32,880
if you really want to know who i think

2176
01:24:18,790 --> 01:23:43,800
[Music]

2177
01:24:27,480 --> 01:24:20,629
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

2178
01:24:43,220 --> 01:24:41,270
[Music]

2179
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:43,230
it's